Monday, February 8, 2010

True or False? Quran confirms that the Messiah died like any other Apostle before Muhammad. Quran xxi:7,8,34?

';Before you also, the Apostles We sent were but men, to whom We granted inspiration: if you do not realise this, ask of those who possess the Message. Nor did We give them bodies that ate no food, nor were they exempt from death.'; Sura xxi:7-8





';We granted not to any man before you permanent life; if then you should die, would they live permanently?'; Sura xxi: 34





The Quran is the Word of Allah revealed to the Apostle Muhammad.





Where does the Hadeeth take us, that gives us Messiah Isa ascending into Heaven in a Jesus manner, alive and unharmed from crucifixion, to come back down some 2000 years later in Damascus?





Can the sheikhs and imams deny the Word of Allah in the Quran or are they going to twist the arm of Jibreel to say that he got the wrong Message from Allah?





Whereare all these Jesus Muslims going on the Day of Judgment?





When will they give us an honest translation of the Quran?





Or does it matter since Allah is the Only Guide?True or False? Quran confirms that the Messiah died like any other Apostle before Muhammad. Quran xxi:7,8,34?
I'm not sure what Muhammad can really say about Galatians 1:8, which was written before he was born and which says that what Muhammad claimed would make him a false prophet:





';But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned!';





Muhammad claimed he received the Q'uran from the angel Gabriel. But the book of Galatians was written hundreds of years before Muhammad was born. I'd have to say judging from the evidence that Muhammad was wrong.True or False? Quran confirms that the Messiah died like any other Apostle before Muhammad. Quran xxi:7,8,34?
I would like to add that I love Muslims as I do every other human being whom God has made. I just have major issues with the Quran.

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Perhaps Allah s.w.t. has blindfolded you so that you are unable to read the verses in the Qur'an even after some of the people here have posted the translations of Verse 4:156-159, and other verses.





None can guide whom Allah has cursed.





Repent before it is too late.

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Pastor Chad , you say you 'have have major issues with the Quran'. Who is preventing you from asking in yahoo answers?

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Jesus will return to earth, defeat the anti-christ, live for a while and then die. Every soul will taste death before the Day of Judgement. As usual there is no problem here...next!
idiot. you're just praying to be certified 'Village Idiot of the Day' award.





';Wa salaamu alaya, yauma walitu, yauma AMUTU, wa yauma ubasu hayya';





(Jesus said): ';And peace is on me, the day I was born, the day that I DIE, and the day that I shall be raised to life again';





Al Qur'an, Chapter 19: Verse 33





See? Now don't you feel like a fool, trying to misinterpret the Qur'an to a Muslim audience?
Do you believe everything you read? Christians try to


say Muhammad died a regular death, but Muslims say


he ascended to heaven like Jesus did.


So did Enoch, Elijah, and the word avatar comes from


India where they say there are people advanced enough


spiritually, that they take thier physical body with them


when they go to the spirit world. And and can come back


a reassemble it.


GOD/ALLAH is for everyone, despite man and his selfish,


false prides.
Messiah (Jesus)did die on the cross willingly for you and for me, but Praise His Holy name on the third day He arose from the dead and is alive for evermore.
That's not true. You're wrong because Christianity and Bible were modified right after Jesus Christ(PBUH) was taken to the heavens. He did not die(as Christians believe) he'll return before the Dooms day. He'll battle and kill the Dajjal and then get married. He'll lead Muslims and will rule for 40 years then he'll die as normal human.
It is amazing that such an ignorant fool like yourself was ever born. It is obvious you are an Islamic Fundamentalist who is on a mission to peddle gloom and spread descent. Your muhumbid was a product of selective breeding. It is the same way a donkey is bread to a horse to create a mule. He is a mere a-s-s; his message is a stinking f-a-r-t blowing in the breezes.





Muhumbid is a sorrowful drunk that played with the boy snake to get his sexual cookies off. But the snake was not a homosexual and bit the misguided fool. No wonder there are people who draw Muhumbid as a foolish clown. He is the blind leading the blind, teaching hate and anger,





But then there you are. You are the illegitimate off-spring of the sister of the Osama Momma. You certainly are the brave, stealing Osama鈥檚 Momma鈥檚 pajamas. Now it is evident that you, Osama, and the Osama Momma have your own little drama, creating a kinky sandwich, with you as the center cut.





You kinky thing.








Before anything else existed, Jesus the Word already was.





The Word was in fellowship with God; in fact, the Word was God.





He was there from the very beginning.





It was through him that God brought everything into existence.





Not a single thing was created apart from him.





He was the source of all life, and that life has provided light for the human race.





The light keeps on shining in the darkness, and the darkness has never been able to put it out.





Onto the stage of history came a man whose name was John the Baptist. He was sent by God to tell people about the light so that they might come to believe through him. He himself was not that light, but the one who was to tell others about the light.








Sunset over ancient Moab











The real light, the one destined to enlighten everyone, was about to come into the world. When the Word did enter the world, the world failed to recognize him even though it had been created by him.





The Word came to his own creation but his own people would not receive him. However, to as many as did receive him -- those who believe that he really is who he claims to be -- he gave the privilege of becoming sons and daughters of God.





This birth was not by natural means, the result of a physical desire or a father's decision; it was a birth that came from God.








The Word became a human being and lived among us. We gazed on his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, sent from the Father.





John told everyone about the Word. He exclaimed, ';This is the one I was talking about when I said, 'There is a man yet to come who is greater than I because he existed even before I was born.'';





From his perfection we have all received one gracious gift after another. While it was through Moses that the law was given, it is through Jesus Christ that grace and truth have come.





No one has ever seen God. The only Son, who himself is God and dwells in the presence of the Father, he has told us about him.














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John the Baptist says that he himself is not the Messiah but has come to prepare the way for the Messiah. John recognizes Jesus as the Messiah by the descent of the Spirit as a dove (1:19-34).





The religious authorities in Jerusalem sent some priests and Levites to John the Baptist in order to find out who he was. In answer to their question he admitted with all candor, ';I am not the Messiah.';





';Then who are you?'; they asked. ';Are you Elijah?';





';I am not,'; he answered.





';Are you by any chance the prophet we have been waiting for?';





';No,'; he replied.





';Well then, who are you? Tell us, so we can take an answer back to those who sent us. What do you say about yourself?';





John responded by quoting Isaiah the prophet, ';I am the voice of one calling out in the desert, 'Prepare the way for the coming of the Lord.'';





Now some of those who had been sent to question John were Pharisees, so they asked, ';Why are you baptizing since you are neither the Messiah, nor Elijah, nor the prophet we have been waiting for?';





';I baptize only with water,'; answered John. ';And although you do not recognize him, the one who is to come after me is right here among you. I am not worthy even to unloose the strap of his sandal.';





This exchange took place in the town of Bethany, east of the Jordan river where John was baptizing.











Near headwaters of the Jordan River








The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him. ';Look!'; he said, ';the Lamb of God, the one who will take away the sin of the world! He is the one of whom I said, 'There is a man yet to come who is greater than I because he existed even before I was born.'





I didn't know that he was the Coming One; but I have been baptizing with water so that God might reveal him to the people of Israel.';





';I saw the Spirit,'; said John, ';coming down from heaven like a dove and coming to rest on him. I would not have known him, but the one who sent me to baptize with water said, 'The one on whom you will see the Spirit descending and coming to rest is the very one who will baptize with the Holy Spirit.' I saw this myself and therefore declare that this man is the Son of God.';





Jesus turns water into wine at a wedding in Cana of Galilee (2:1-12).





Two days later, Mary, the mother of Jesus, was at a wedding in the Galilean town of Cana. Jesus had been invited to the wedding and we were there as well.





When the party ran out of wine, Jesus' mother said to him, ';They don't have any more wine.';





';I do not share your concern,'; said Jesus. ';My time has not yet come.';





So his mother said to the servants, ';Do whatever he tells you.';





Nearby were six stone water jars, each of which held some twenty to thirty gallons. The water was used for the Jewish custom of ceremonial cleansing.








Ancient altar for worshiping other gods








Jesus told the servants, ';Fill up those six jars with water.';





So they filled them to the brim. ';Now,'; said Jesus, ';dip some out and take it to the master of the feast.'; And so they did.











The master of the feast, not knowing where the water that had turned into wine had come from (but of course the servants knew), called the bridegroom aside and said to him, ';People normally serve their best wine first.





';Then when the guests have had a bit too much to drink, they bring out the less expensive wine. But you have saved the best until last.';





This miracle, performed in Cana of Galilee, was the first of Jesus' miraculous signs.





It revealed his divine nature and deepened our faith in him. After the wedding, Jesus went to the town of Capernaum for a few days with his mother and his brothers. We also went with them.











Hills of Galilee














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Jesus goes to the temple in Jerusalem and drives out the money-changers. He teaches that if they tear down the temple (his body) he will rebuild it in three days (a reference to the resurrection). The Jewish authorities do not understand (2:13-22).





It was almost time for the Jewish Festival of Passover, so Jesus went up to Jerusalem. There in the courts of the temple he saw people selling cattle, sheep, and doves for sacrifice. Others were sitting at their tables exchanging money.








So Jesus made a whip out of some pieces of cord and used it to drive them all out of the temple, along with their sheep and cattle.





He overturned the tables of the money-changers, scattering their coins in every direction.





To those who were selling doves he said, ';Get them out of here! How dare you turn my Father's house into a marketplace!';





Then we remembered what was prophesied in Scripture, ';Zeal for your house will consume me.';





At this point the Jewish authorities demanded of Jesus, ';Show us some miraculous sign that will prove you have the authority to do this.';








Modern Jew in ceremonial garb











';Tear down this temple,'; said Jesus,'; and in three days I will build it up again.';





';What!'; they exclaimed. ';This temple has been under construction for forty-six years. What makes you think you could restore it in three days?';





Of course the temple to which Jesus referred was his own body. Later, when Jesus had risen from the dead, we remembered that he had said this.





We believed the Scripture and the words that Jesus had spoken.











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Jesus knows human nature and will not entrust himself to the enthusiasm of the crowd (2:23-25).





When Jesus was in Jerusalem during the Festival of Passover, many people saw the miraculous signs he was performing and became convinced that he was in fact the promised Messiah.





But Jesus did not entrust himself to them, because he knew what people were like.





He did not need any one to tell him about human nature because he fully understood what was in a person's heart.





Jesus tells Nicodemus that a person must be born again in order to see the kingdom of God. Nicodemus misses the point because his thinking is on a material level (3:1-15).





There was a man by the name of Nicodemus who was a leader among the Jewish people.





He belonged to the religious sect of the Pharisees.





One night he came to Jesus and said, ';Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher who has come from God, for no one could perform the miracles that you are doing unless God were with him.';





Jesus replied, ';I tell you the truth, unless a person is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.';








Studying God's word











Nicodemus asked, ';How is it possible for a person to be born when he is old? Obviously you can't enter your mother's womb and be born all over again.';





';I tell you the truth,'; said Jesus, ';a person cannot enter God's kingdom unless he is born of water and the Spirit.








';Physical birth results in a physical being; spiritual birth, in a spiritual being. You should not be surprised when I say that all of you must be born again.





';The Spirit is like the wind, which blows wherever it wants to. You can hear the sound it makes, and there is no way to know where it comes from or where it is going. Spiritual birth is like that.';





';How could all this be?'; replied Nicodemus.





Jesus answered, ';How is it that you, a highly respected Jewish teacher, don't understand these things? I tell you the truth, we know that what we talk about is true because we saw it ourselves. Yet you people will not accept what we say. If I speak of things of the earth and you don't believe me, how will you believe me when I talk of things of heaven?








Judean desert











';No one has ever gone up into heaven except the Son of Man, the one who came from there. As Moses lifted up the bronze snake on a pole in the desert, so also must the Son of Man be lifted up so that everyone who believes in him may have eternal life.';








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Jesus goes on to teach that the love of God is seen in the fact that the Son was sent into the world so that those who believe in him might have eternal life (3:16-21).





';This is how God loved the world: he gave his one and only Son so that everyone who believes in him will have eternal life and not really die.





';God did not send his Son into the world to pass judgment on it, but that it might be saved through him.





';Whoever believes in the Son is not condemned. However, the person who does not believe stands condemned already, because he has refused to put his faith in God's one and only Son.








';Light came into the world, but rather than loving that light, people chose the cover of darkness because what they were doing was evil.





';People who do evil things hate the light. They won't come near it for fear it will make clear to others what they are doing.





';On the other hand, those who live by the truth come willingly to the light. That way everyone can see that what they are doing is done in partnership with God.';











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John the Baptist does not envy the growing impact of Jesus' ministry. Using the analogy of a Jewish wedding he acknowledges that he is merely the friend of the bridegroom (3:22-30).








Headwaters of the Jordan River











After his conversation with Nicodemus, Jesus and went out into the Judean countryside, where he stayed for a time baptizing believers.





John the Baptist had not yet been put in prison but was at Aenon, near Salim. There was plenty of water there, and John was baptizing the steady flow of people who were coming to him.





Some of John's followers got into an argument with a Jewish man about the practice of ceremonial cleansing. So they came to John and asked, ';Rabbi, the man you spoke about when you were east of the Jordan -- the man you said was the Lamb of God -- he is now baptizing, and people are flocking to him.';





John replied, ';A person plays no role in the eternal plan unless it has been assigned to him by God. You yourselves heard me say, 'I am not the Messiah,' but rather, 'I have been sent ahead of time to announce his coming.'





';In a wedding it is the bridegroom who takes the bride. The role of the bridegroom's friend is to wait and listen for his coming. When he hears the voice of the bridegroom he is overcome with joy. My joy is like that; it is absolutely complete. Jesus must become increasingly important, but I must fade away.';











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Jesus speaks the words of the Father and those who believe have eternal life (3:31-36).





';The one who comes from above is above all others. The one who belongs to the earth speaks only of things of the earth.





The one from heaven is above all others. He speaks about what he has actually seen and heard, yet none of you accept what he says.





But whoever does accept his message has demonstrated his conviction that God is truthful. The one sent by God speaks the words of God, for God does not give his Spirit in limited measure.





';The Father loves the Son and has placed everything under his control. Everyone who puts his faith in the Son has eternal life.





But no one who disobeys the Son will share in that life, but will remain subject to the wrath of God.











Modern middle-eastern wedding








Jesus asks a Samaritan woman for a drink of water and then explains that he is the one who gives living water to all. Those who drink it will never again become thirsty (4:1-42).





The Pharisees heard that Jesus was gaining and baptizing more converts than John, although it was the other disciples and I who were doing the baptizing.





When Jesus learned about this he left Judea and started back to Galilee. His route took him through Samaria, and before long he came to a town called Sychar.





It was located not far from the plot of land that our ancestor Jacob had given to his son Joseph. That was where Jacob had dug a well.





About noon, Jesus, tired from his journey, sat down beside the well. A woman of Samaria came to draw water.








Ancient city ruins with Mt. Hermon


in the background











';Please give me a drink of water,'; said Jesus to the woman. (We had gone into town to buy some food.)





The woman exclaimed, But you're a Jew! How come you're asking me, a Samaritan, for a drink of water?'; (No Jew would ever drink from a cup used by a Samaritan).





Jesus replied, ';If you only knew the gift of God and who it is that is asking you for a drink of water, you would be the one asking me, and I would be giving you living water.';








The woman replied, ';But sir, you don't have a bucket and the well is deep. Where will you get this living water?





';Surely you are not greater than our father Jacob, are you? He is the one who gave us this well. He drank from it himself, and so did his sons and his flocks.';





Jesus replied, ';Everyone who drinks of this water will get thirsty again, but once a person drinks the water that I will give, he will never be thirsty again.





';In fact, it will become in him a perpetual spring of water welling up to eternal life.





';Please, sir,'; the woman exclaimed, ';give me some of that water. That way I'll never get thirsty again and won't have to keep coming way out here to draw water.';








Ancient harvesting














Jesus said, ';Go, call your husband first, then come back again.';





';I don't have a husband,'; the woman replied.





';That's right,'; said Jesus, ';you don't have a husband. Already you have had five, and the one you are now living with is not your husband. You told the truth.';





The woman said to him, ';Sir, I can see that you are a prophet! I have a question for you: Should we worship on this mountain where our ancestors worshiped, or should we worship, as you, a Jew, would say, in Jerusalem?';








';Believe me,'; said Jesus, ';the time is coming when the place where one worships -- here on this mountain or in Jerusalem -- will no longer matter.





';You Samaritans know very little about the one you worship; but we Jews know all about him, because salvation comes through our race.





';A time is coming -- in fact, it is here already -- when true worshipers will be led by the Spirit to worship the Father as he really is. And the Father wants people to worship him like that.





';God is spirit, and those who worship him must be led by the Spirit to worship him as he really is.';








A stone strewn field











The woman said, ';I know that the Messiah (who is called ';Christ';) will come, and when he comes, he will explain everything to us.';





';I am the Messiah,'; said Jesus, ';the very one who is speaking to you now.';





Just then we returned from the town. We were surprised to find Jesus talking with a woman. However, none of us asked her what she wanted or questioned Jesus as to why he was talking with her. At that point the woman put down her water jar and hurried off to town, where she told everyone, ';Come and meet the man who told me everything I have ever done! Could this man really be the Messiah?'; The people left what they were doing and went out to meet Jesus.





Meanwhile we kept urging Jesus to take some food and eat.





';I have a source of nourishment you know nothing about,'; he answered. We asked one another, ';Could someone have brought him food to eat?';





Jesus said, ';My food is to do what God desires. He is the one who sent me and I must finish the work he gave me to do. You say, 'There are four months between sowing and harvest'; but I say, 'Open your eyes and look around! The fields are already ripe for harvest.'





';Already the reaper is drawing his pay for having gathered a crop destined for eternal life. Sowers and reapers are rejoicing together. The saying holds true, 'One sows and another reaps.' I am sending you to harvest a crop in a field where others have done all the hard work. You are about to reap the benefits of what they have done.';





A number of people in that Samaritan village came to believe in Jesus because of the woman's testimony, ';He told me everything I have ever done!';








They came to him with the urgent request that he remain with them in their town for a time. So for the next two days he stayed there, and many others came to believe when they heard Jesus for themselves.





To the woman they said, ';We no longer believe just because you told us about him. Now that we have heard him for ourselves, we are convinced that he is the Savior of the world.';











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Jesus heals the son of a government official (4:43-54).





Two days later Jesus left Samaria and continued on his way to Galilee.








Ancient synagogue in Capernaum











(Previously he had noted that a prophet is held in honor everywhere except in his own country!) When he arrived in Galilee he was welcomed by the people, because they too had been at the festival in Jerusalem and seen everything he had done.





Traveling through Galilee, Jesus came once again to the village of Cana, where he had turned water into wine. In nearby Capernaum there was an official of the imperial government whose son was ill. When he learned that Jesus had come back from Judea and was in Galilee, he went to him and begged him to come and heal his son, for his son was about to die.





';Unless you people see miracles and wonders,'; said Jesus, ';you will never believe!'; ';Please, sir,'; begged the official. ';Come before my son dies.';





';Your son is alive and well,'; replied Jesus. ';Go back to him.'; The official believed what Jesus said and set off for home.





While he was still on the way home, his servants came to meet him with the good news that his son had recovered. He asked them what time this had taken place, and they said, ';One o'clock yesterday afternoon the fever suddenly disappeared.';





The father remembered that it was at that very hour when Jesus had said, ';Your son is alive and well.'; So the official and everyone in his family became believers.





Jesus did this second miracle after leaving Judea and arriving in Galilee.
Jesus didnt die, however he will die, he wont live forever.


You want an honest translation of the Quran:


http://www.islamicity.com/mosque/SURAI.H鈥?/a>
i'm sorry i'm missing your point!!! where's the contradiction here?








in the Quran Jesus Christ is mentioned, in Hadiths he's is also mentioned to return but not some 2000 years later, only God knows when.








what's your problem?





and what do you mean by the Jesus Muslims?





and BTW, the above verse DOESNOT ';confirm'; the death of the messiah.





4:156-159 ';That they rejected Faith; That they uttered against Mary A grave false charge; That they said (in boast): 'We killed Christ Jesus The son of Mary, The Messenger of Allah.' But they killed him not, Nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjunction to follow, for of a surety they killed him not. Nay, Allah raised him up Unto Himself; and Allah Is Exalted in Power, Wise. And there is none of the people of the book (Jews and Christians) But must believe in him (Jesus) Before his death; And on the Day of Judgment He (Jesus) will be a witness Against them.';
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