Monday, February 8, 2010

How come Jews wont read the Christians scriptures and see that the Messiah who builds the temple will be false?

Like, the Jews told me that the temple can't be rebuilt without the Messiah coming. Now we know that Jesus already built the temple in three days, and that temple was not a building made of stone, but He said it is each of us who are now the temple, and the apostle Paul backs that up. :)








But this Messiah that will come, is not a messiah, but the prophecied anti Christ. Who Paul said:





2 Thessalonians 2:4-5 (King James Version)





4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.





5Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?











So why wont Jews read the Christian scriptures and see that the Messiah that will build the temple is not Jesus, but the son of perdition?How come Jews wont read the Christians scriptures and see that the Messiah who builds the temple will be false?
answer: Paul was a Hellenized Jew that actually knew little about Judaism.





There will be no anti-Christ. According to your mythology - Jews could NOT fall for your anti-christ. It's written that he will perform miracles and be worshiped - Jews will worship no one but G-d and only G-d.





Your Christian scriptures PROVE that Jesus wasn't the Messiah.





Reasons Jesus wasn鈥檛 the Jewish Messiah


divine birth/divinity - strike (the Jewish Messiah will be human)


performing miracles - strike (JM won't perform miracles)


taking on the sins of others - strike (no one can take on the sins of others)


breaking Sabbath - strike (JM will be observant)


sacrificed/rising from the dead - strike (G-d rejects human sacrifice)


prophecies unfilled - strike (JM will accomplish them in one life time)


being worshiped - strike and out - Jews worship G-d and only G-dHow come Jews wont read the Christians scriptures and see that the Messiah who builds the temple will be false?
don't hold your breath. Christians have been waiting for over 2,000 years

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It is a certitude that anyone claiming to be the Messiah will be a false Messiah as was Yeshua who fufilled none of the supposed Messianic requirements. There is no Messiah, was no Messiah and never will be a Messiah. It's nothing but wishful and grandiose thinking, not prophecy, on the part of Apocalyptic Jews who may wait till hell freezes and yet will never see a Messiah come.
i certainly agree with you. the temple will be built once the mideast signs the peace treaty. we will have the new world order out, only it will fail from the beginning. then the antichrist will come and ';fix'; the new world order, and build the temple. I think they know this. the building of the third temple is the leading sign to Christs return. I would help lay the bricks if i could. only because i can't wait to be with the Lord.
Probably because they don't accept your messiah, as you don't accept their faith.


Pretty simple isn't it?
oh dear oh dear oh dear


dont you realise that Jesus did NOT fullfill the Jewish prophecies , therefore is not THEIR Messiah


so why would they believe the bible ?





this makes no sense at all
Why don't you read an encyclopedia and see that you are wrong?





I guess they don't like the Bible the same way you don't like regular books
I will give you two guesses who is being very close minded here, and let me give you a hint, it is not the Jews
This is a rhetorical question, isn't it?





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They are jewish you idiot, they don't believe in your god man
You're a bit of a fool, aren't you...
Paul said that the 613 mitzvot were obsolete; the lifeblood of Judaism. It was also Paul who was the first the declare Jesus as the literal son of God, a statement that contradicted jewish law. The idea that the Messianic prophecies were all fulfilled on an internal level is very convenient. Any jewish interpretations are that they are to be external, and very clearly done in one lifetime.


Third Temple


Disarming of people


World recognizes Israel's God


All Jews return to Israel


etc.


The New Testament is not recognized by Judaism, so your point about a false messiah building the third temple is circular.


Paul was a Roman Jew with little to no knowledge of Rabbinic Judaism. The man could not even interpret Hebrew correctly.
The answer to your question entails a study of the End Times (eschatology) When Jesus comes for the second time, the church would have been already raptured (ref. 1 Thess. 4:15-18). So the church will be removed from the earth prior to the tribulation. In fact when He comes again the church will be coming with Him.





Therefore the purpose of the Temple would be for the purpose of redeeming Israel. The temple would be completed at His second coming where in comes fully to the earth.





This is a short answer to a long question. If I may make a suggestion. Get some good study material on end time events. That will give you a good timeline and sequence of events.
Clearly because Jewish people understand their religion far beyond the understand of even the most devout Christians.


When reading anything in the ';New Testament'; and certainly anything written by salesman Paul, it is clear that a religion is being marketed and justified. Of course Jesus may have stated that he had built a ';temple';, he knew and understood the scriptures and was in fact a rabbi, but he was using that scripture to elevate himself above the hundreds of his contemporaries who also claimed to be the ';living Messiah';.





It is clear that all you read is through the lens of belief and faith and not truth. Take off the lenses and read all again objectively.

Is Barack Obama Actually The 2nd Coming Of The Messiah, Or Is That A False Rumor By Cultists?

Hey everyone...





Im sure you've all heard this by now...but apparently ';Barack Obama'; in Swahili alphabet if taken numerically, adds up to 1,225...or 12-25...the birth of Christ. These same people claim that there are no known photographs of Obama at Columbia University where he supposedly ';went'; to college as an undergrad, no known photos between the ages of 19-25...during this 6 year period, there was a mythical creature sighted throughout the mideast in the High Hill Country, know as ';Nomadi Jachun';, or ';The Young Nomad';, who was described as a lone Bedouin, of an exotic ethnic dissent, roaming the deserts at night performing miracles. Nomadi Jachun's last sighting was March 3rd, 1986, the day before the first known adult photograph, of Barack Obama. Followers also point towards an almost hypnotic, involuntary attraction to his sounds and movements, consistent with Judeo-Christian Prophecy.





Is it possible, that Barack Obama, is ';Nomadi Jachun';, aka...2nd coming, of Christ?Is Barack Obama Actually The 2nd Coming Of The Messiah, Or Is That A False Rumor By Cultists?
hahahahahhahaha.. Thanks for a good laughIs Barack Obama Actually The 2nd Coming Of The Messiah, Or Is That A False Rumor By Cultists?
I knew it.... Deep down in my bones I just knew it!!





Hallelujah
You can't even be serious!!!!!


Did you actually make all of this up? Sounds like you have too much time on your hands....................


Read something educational...........
I had not hear this yet but now that I have I will call it what it is utter and complete nonsense and a waste of the 30 seconds it took to read it.
Oh Man!!! .... I thought it was Bill Clinton.
..........What????????
I went to school with Barack back in Hawaii, and I can say that he *is* Nomadi Jachun. ';Barry,'; as we used to call him, was the most talented, most visionary individual any of us on the islands had ever met. Barry's presence alone was enough to heal the sick and bring joy into the elderly. I don't know... he has a way with people which is mysterious and somewhat magical... and he could always recite passages from the Bible, but only the New Testament.





So in short, he is the Messiah.
What have you been smoking? lol
You know, if you look into something long enough, you'll eventually find evidence to support whatever it is YOU WANT to believe. It doesn't matter what it is!





If there was a rumor going around that Hillary Clinton is the reincarnation of Gandhi, if i didn't have a life and i looked into it enough, i would eventually find something to support my theory. Add some numbers up and twist some things around and you can come up with ANY theory.





So no it's not possible. Plus why would Christ come in any other form other than himself? He was born the first time as himself, why not the second time. He wouldn't try to conceal that he is the all mighty Christ. Otherwise why would he come at all, if people didn't know he was Christ?
Read my question I just posted, it gets even crazier!
Oh Gosh...here they go again!
That's really incredibly stupid.





Also, if you're going to believe that crazy crap, then why would he be running for president of the United States. That sounds more like what we should expect from the antichrist.... Even in crazy land this theory doesn't make sense.
LOL.. that is the best answer you will get out of me and the most i'll even pay attention to something like that
This is no lie--





I have a friend who is a very devout Catholic and believes he is the anti-Christ. I guess you can take numbers and prophecies to mean whatever you want. Of all the candidates, I think Ron Paul is the most Christ-like in his behaviors and history.
christ wasnt born on 12-25 and you can google obama at columbia...trust me he was there haha.........he is amazing though
sure why not. its just as likely as most of the stuff in the bible.

True or false is sailor Saturn evil since hotaru is the messiah of silence?

False.





Hotaru is the Messiah of Silence, partly in thanks to her dad (Soichi). When the explosion happened in the lab, it killed Hotaru and only injured Soichi. Pharaoh 90 happened to be there and took advantage of Soichi's grief and made him an offer - pretty much as long as Soichi worked for Pharaoh 90 to help bring about the destruction of the Earth, then the daimohn egg of Mistress 9 (who would open the portal for Pharaoh 90) would reside in Hotaru after she was brought back to life. The spirit of Saturn was later able to help Hotaru regain control of her body after Mistress 9 had awakened, so Mistress 9 was destroyed and Saturn awoke to put an end to Pharaoh 90 and killed herself in the process. She was reborn after having to sacrifice her own life to attack. That's the way it was in the anime. The manga isn't too much different.





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Sailorsaturn is actually supposed to be the strongest of the planet senshi, even though she is physically the weakest, because she controls death/rebirth. She has the ability to destroy an entire planet when she lets her Silence Glaive fall, like in the manga when (as was already mentioned) she destroyed the remnants of the Silver Millennium to rid it of evil and allow everyone to be reborn.True or false is sailor Saturn evil since hotaru is the messiah of silence?
That is false, the evil part of her was Mistress 9 trying to bring Pharoah 90 to earth to bring the ';silence';.





A good way to look at it is Sailor Saturn brings ruin to the doomed in order for Sailor Moon to bring life





Per wikipedia:





Though a terrifying ability, Saturn reveals in the Sailor S arc of the manga that this power is necessary, because rebirth cannot happen without death. It was Saturn who destroyed the remnants of the war-torn Silver Millennium kingdom, allowing a new world to be born. At first, knowledge of her disturbing powers caused the other Outer Senshi to attempt to kill her unawakened form in the Sailor S arc. However, Saturn's awakening ultimately saved the world by forcing Master Pharoah 90 to escape to his former universe before being destroyed with Earth. Sailor Pluto then sealed the gateway to their dimension so that he could never return, and Super Sailor Moon used her powers as Neo-Queen Serenity to resurrect all that had been destroyed. Therefore, it can be inferred that Saturn will only awaken and destroy Earth when it is doomed, allowing the holders of the Silver Crystal to subsequently revive it.True or false is sailor Saturn evil since hotaru is the messiah of silence?
omg that avatar is sooo cute!^-^. false she's only evil at first (so dose that make it true?)idk but she's not evil.
false she is only evil at first...when she is fighting them she turns good...she was one of my favorites

I am Jesus, the REAL Messiah! Do you renounce your false gods?

The first guy was a fake. Trust me....





Did I make a believer out of you?I am Jesus, the REAL Messiah! Do you renounce your false gods?
Wow, people, PLEASE!


Get an effing sense of humor!


Oh, FYI Jeffd_57, lots of other people have been persecuted by Christians for refusing to convert. Do some research!


LOL!I am Jesus, the REAL Messiah! Do you renounce your false gods?
I have renounced all gods, for they are all fake. Jesus probably never really existed. There were many men claiming to be the Messiah over a century before Jesus supposedly lived and many more when he is said to have lived and just after. Various Roman and Jewish histories tell about that.
The ';first guy'; as you call him had over 360 prophecies describing his coming, where he would be born, his life and ministry, how he would die, his resurrection and his impact on this world.





Archaelogists have verified that those prophecies were written down hundreds of years before Jesus was born in Bethlehem and history shows that Jesus is the only person in history who has fulfilled all 365 of these prophecies.





Further more Archaeology and both religious and secular historians have verified that Jesus was a real historical person and they have verified many of the details of his life and times.





Can you document for me What prophecies exist about YOUR birth, life, mission etc and show me in what unique way YOU are the only person in history to have met all those predictions?





Can you give me a list of people who YOU have cured of their illnesses and afflictions or raised from the dead?





Have you performed any miracles in front of large crowds of witnesses?





Have you died and come back from the dead?





Have you made any prophecies about the future that subsequently came true?





Have your followers been tortured, imprisoned and executed to make them admit that you are a fake and were they so convinced that you were the real deal that they died rather than change one word of their testimony about what they had seen and heard you do?





If you can satisfy all those points with witnesses and verifiable details then maybe, just maybe you might make a believer out of me - so gimme your best shot, show me what you got, convince me why I should believe YOUR god over the God that Jesus told the world about?
no. just for the FYI, it is not funny to claim to be God, especially when you are making a joke outta it. don't worry, your punishment will come sooner or later.
I don't know, Jesus. The talking Spaghetti makes a convincing argument.
Tell me this: What is my real name, my birthday, the exact time I was born, and how I was conceived. Then I'll believe you
Sorry, if you were the real deal you'd be called Optimus Prime. You sure as hell ain't MY messiah.
Funny, the first guy said u would say that...
... ok, whatever
**** YOU!!! RELIGION IS BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Not even close.
tell me how many hairs you have on your body.
get off the internet
nice try
will u get OFF the internets...
oh sure why not, I never even met that jesus guy
i thought that the jesus dude was in heaven !

True or False. In Christianity Jesus Christ is believed to be the Jewish Messiah and also Divine.?

In most Christianity





Not Ebionite or Unitarian and other such sects that follow either Arius or other early pre-church versionsTrue or False. In Christianity Jesus Christ is believed to be the Jewish Messiah and also Divine.?
Well, kinda of. I hate to be a semantic nit-picker, but in Christianity, they believe Christ was the Messiah the Jews were waiting for, but that we took a pass on him. So now he's the messiah for the Gentiles, but definitely divine (which is kinda what disqualifies him as the Jewish Messiah).True or False. In Christianity Jesus Christ is believed to be the Jewish Messiah and also Divine.?
This seems to be their belief but it's based on false teaching. Jesus does NOT match the description of the Jewish Messiah in the Hebrew Scriptures. The Jewish Messiah is mortal and is not be be worshipped. He has absolutely nothing to do with getting into heaven.





The Christian Messiah is a concept that was probably created by Paul by borrowing ideas from previous myths. He preached it to gentiles who knew nothing about the Hebrew Scriptures.
Christianity preaches Jesus is the Messiah and true God and Man at the same time. It's basic in christianity. No matter what the jews think about it. They have to repent and believe in Jesus if they want to see the face of their YHWH someday.
You are asking a question that Christians can never explain.


The old testament kingly messiah was not divine. Just another human being. They just avoid or evade the question.
Absolutely TRUE
I give that one a big T! Do I get a hundred?
answer: If you're Christian - true





If you're Jewish - false and absolutely blasphemous
Yes Jesus is the Messiah. He is divine. He is God's only son.
True, but they are not 2 separate beliefs as if the Messiah was not supposed to be divine.
True and false, depending on which sect of Christianity you ascribe to. There are Christians who don't think Jesus is divine.
Yes; Jesus was Jewish. He died for us and amde us free of our sin. He is very divine and he is the only way to heaven.
Messiah yes. Divine yes teacher and of the world
';Probably because it has nothing to do with R%26amp;S';





No stupid, thats the economy
true, the Messiah is to be Divine, they are one in the same.
True.
True.
True!
True
True!
TRUE!
True. What do I win?
Straight up, dawg
truth

True or False? Quran confirms that the Messiah died like any other Apostle before Muhammad. Quran xxi:7,8,34?

';Before you also, the Apostles We sent were but men, to whom We granted inspiration: if you do not realise this, ask of those who possess the Message. Nor did We give them bodies that ate no food, nor were they exempt from death.'; Sura xxi:7-8





';We granted not to any man before you permanent life; if then you should die, would they live permanently?'; Sura xxi: 34





The Quran is the Word of Allah revealed to the Apostle Muhammad.





Where does the Hadeeth take us, that gives us Messiah Isa ascending into Heaven in a Jesus manner, alive and unharmed from crucifixion, to come back down some 2000 years later in Damascus?





Can the sheikhs and imams deny the Word of Allah in the Quran or are they going to twist the arm of Jibreel to say that he got the wrong Message from Allah?





Whereare all these Jesus Muslims going on the Day of Judgment?





When will they give us an honest translation of the Quran?





Or does it matter since Allah is the Only Guide?True or False? Quran confirms that the Messiah died like any other Apostle before Muhammad. Quran xxi:7,8,34?
I'm not sure what Muhammad can really say about Galatians 1:8, which was written before he was born and which says that what Muhammad claimed would make him a false prophet:





';But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned!';





Muhammad claimed he received the Q'uran from the angel Gabriel. But the book of Galatians was written hundreds of years before Muhammad was born. I'd have to say judging from the evidence that Muhammad was wrong.True or False? Quran confirms that the Messiah died like any other Apostle before Muhammad. Quran xxi:7,8,34?
I would like to add that I love Muslims as I do every other human being whom God has made. I just have major issues with the Quran.

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Perhaps Allah s.w.t. has blindfolded you so that you are unable to read the verses in the Qur'an even after some of the people here have posted the translations of Verse 4:156-159, and other verses.





None can guide whom Allah has cursed.





Repent before it is too late.

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Pastor Chad , you say you 'have have major issues with the Quran'. Who is preventing you from asking in yahoo answers?

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Jesus will return to earth, defeat the anti-christ, live for a while and then die. Every soul will taste death before the Day of Judgement. As usual there is no problem here...next!
idiot. you're just praying to be certified 'Village Idiot of the Day' award.





';Wa salaamu alaya, yauma walitu, yauma AMUTU, wa yauma ubasu hayya';





(Jesus said): ';And peace is on me, the day I was born, the day that I DIE, and the day that I shall be raised to life again';





Al Qur'an, Chapter 19: Verse 33





See? Now don't you feel like a fool, trying to misinterpret the Qur'an to a Muslim audience?
Do you believe everything you read? Christians try to


say Muhammad died a regular death, but Muslims say


he ascended to heaven like Jesus did.


So did Enoch, Elijah, and the word avatar comes from


India where they say there are people advanced enough


spiritually, that they take thier physical body with them


when they go to the spirit world. And and can come back


a reassemble it.


GOD/ALLAH is for everyone, despite man and his selfish,


false prides.
Messiah (Jesus)did die on the cross willingly for you and for me, but Praise His Holy name on the third day He arose from the dead and is alive for evermore.
That's not true. You're wrong because Christianity and Bible were modified right after Jesus Christ(PBUH) was taken to the heavens. He did not die(as Christians believe) he'll return before the Dooms day. He'll battle and kill the Dajjal and then get married. He'll lead Muslims and will rule for 40 years then he'll die as normal human.
It is amazing that such an ignorant fool like yourself was ever born. It is obvious you are an Islamic Fundamentalist who is on a mission to peddle gloom and spread descent. Your muhumbid was a product of selective breeding. It is the same way a donkey is bread to a horse to create a mule. He is a mere a-s-s; his message is a stinking f-a-r-t blowing in the breezes.





Muhumbid is a sorrowful drunk that played with the boy snake to get his sexual cookies off. But the snake was not a homosexual and bit the misguided fool. No wonder there are people who draw Muhumbid as a foolish clown. He is the blind leading the blind, teaching hate and anger,





But then there you are. You are the illegitimate off-spring of the sister of the Osama Momma. You certainly are the brave, stealing Osama鈥檚 Momma鈥檚 pajamas. Now it is evident that you, Osama, and the Osama Momma have your own little drama, creating a kinky sandwich, with you as the center cut.





You kinky thing.








Before anything else existed, Jesus the Word already was.





The Word was in fellowship with God; in fact, the Word was God.





He was there from the very beginning.





It was through him that God brought everything into existence.





Not a single thing was created apart from him.





He was the source of all life, and that life has provided light for the human race.





The light keeps on shining in the darkness, and the darkness has never been able to put it out.





Onto the stage of history came a man whose name was John the Baptist. He was sent by God to tell people about the light so that they might come to believe through him. He himself was not that light, but the one who was to tell others about the light.








Sunset over ancient Moab











The real light, the one destined to enlighten everyone, was about to come into the world. When the Word did enter the world, the world failed to recognize him even though it had been created by him.





The Word came to his own creation but his own people would not receive him. However, to as many as did receive him -- those who believe that he really is who he claims to be -- he gave the privilege of becoming sons and daughters of God.





This birth was not by natural means, the result of a physical desire or a father's decision; it was a birth that came from God.








The Word became a human being and lived among us. We gazed on his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, sent from the Father.





John told everyone about the Word. He exclaimed, ';This is the one I was talking about when I said, 'There is a man yet to come who is greater than I because he existed even before I was born.'';





From his perfection we have all received one gracious gift after another. While it was through Moses that the law was given, it is through Jesus Christ that grace and truth have come.





No one has ever seen God. The only Son, who himself is God and dwells in the presence of the Father, he has told us about him.














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John the Baptist says that he himself is not the Messiah but has come to prepare the way for the Messiah. John recognizes Jesus as the Messiah by the descent of the Spirit as a dove (1:19-34).





The religious authorities in Jerusalem sent some priests and Levites to John the Baptist in order to find out who he was. In answer to their question he admitted with all candor, ';I am not the Messiah.';





';Then who are you?'; they asked. ';Are you Elijah?';





';I am not,'; he answered.





';Are you by any chance the prophet we have been waiting for?';





';No,'; he replied.





';Well then, who are you? Tell us, so we can take an answer back to those who sent us. What do you say about yourself?';





John responded by quoting Isaiah the prophet, ';I am the voice of one calling out in the desert, 'Prepare the way for the coming of the Lord.'';





Now some of those who had been sent to question John were Pharisees, so they asked, ';Why are you baptizing since you are neither the Messiah, nor Elijah, nor the prophet we have been waiting for?';





';I baptize only with water,'; answered John. ';And although you do not recognize him, the one who is to come after me is right here among you. I am not worthy even to unloose the strap of his sandal.';





This exchange took place in the town of Bethany, east of the Jordan river where John was baptizing.











Near headwaters of the Jordan River








The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him. ';Look!'; he said, ';the Lamb of God, the one who will take away the sin of the world! He is the one of whom I said, 'There is a man yet to come who is greater than I because he existed even before I was born.'





I didn't know that he was the Coming One; but I have been baptizing with water so that God might reveal him to the people of Israel.';





';I saw the Spirit,'; said John, ';coming down from heaven like a dove and coming to rest on him. I would not have known him, but the one who sent me to baptize with water said, 'The one on whom you will see the Spirit descending and coming to rest is the very one who will baptize with the Holy Spirit.' I saw this myself and therefore declare that this man is the Son of God.';





Jesus turns water into wine at a wedding in Cana of Galilee (2:1-12).





Two days later, Mary, the mother of Jesus, was at a wedding in the Galilean town of Cana. Jesus had been invited to the wedding and we were there as well.





When the party ran out of wine, Jesus' mother said to him, ';They don't have any more wine.';





';I do not share your concern,'; said Jesus. ';My time has not yet come.';





So his mother said to the servants, ';Do whatever he tells you.';





Nearby were six stone water jars, each of which held some twenty to thirty gallons. The water was used for the Jewish custom of ceremonial cleansing.








Ancient altar for worshiping other gods








Jesus told the servants, ';Fill up those six jars with water.';





So they filled them to the brim. ';Now,'; said Jesus, ';dip some out and take it to the master of the feast.'; And so they did.











The master of the feast, not knowing where the water that had turned into wine had come from (but of course the servants knew), called the bridegroom aside and said to him, ';People normally serve their best wine first.





';Then when the guests have had a bit too much to drink, they bring out the less expensive wine. But you have saved the best until last.';





This miracle, performed in Cana of Galilee, was the first of Jesus' miraculous signs.





It revealed his divine nature and deepened our faith in him. After the wedding, Jesus went to the town of Capernaum for a few days with his mother and his brothers. We also went with them.











Hills of Galilee














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Jesus goes to the temple in Jerusalem and drives out the money-changers. He teaches that if they tear down the temple (his body) he will rebuild it in three days (a reference to the resurrection). The Jewish authorities do not understand (2:13-22).





It was almost time for the Jewish Festival of Passover, so Jesus went up to Jerusalem. There in the courts of the temple he saw people selling cattle, sheep, and doves for sacrifice. Others were sitting at their tables exchanging money.








So Jesus made a whip out of some pieces of cord and used it to drive them all out of the temple, along with their sheep and cattle.





He overturned the tables of the money-changers, scattering their coins in every direction.





To those who were selling doves he said, ';Get them out of here! How dare you turn my Father's house into a marketplace!';





Then we remembered what was prophesied in Scripture, ';Zeal for your house will consume me.';





At this point the Jewish authorities demanded of Jesus, ';Show us some miraculous sign that will prove you have the authority to do this.';








Modern Jew in ceremonial garb











';Tear down this temple,'; said Jesus,'; and in three days I will build it up again.';





';What!'; they exclaimed. ';This temple has been under construction for forty-six years. What makes you think you could restore it in three days?';





Of course the temple to which Jesus referred was his own body. Later, when Jesus had risen from the dead, we remembered that he had said this.





We believed the Scripture and the words that Jesus had spoken.











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Jesus knows human nature and will not entrust himself to the enthusiasm of the crowd (2:23-25).





When Jesus was in Jerusalem during the Festival of Passover, many people saw the miraculous signs he was performing and became convinced that he was in fact the promised Messiah.





But Jesus did not entrust himself to them, because he knew what people were like.





He did not need any one to tell him about human nature because he fully understood what was in a person's heart.





Jesus tells Nicodemus that a person must be born again in order to see the kingdom of God. Nicodemus misses the point because his thinking is on a material level (3:1-15).





There was a man by the name of Nicodemus who was a leader among the Jewish people.





He belonged to the religious sect of the Pharisees.





One night he came to Jesus and said, ';Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher who has come from God, for no one could perform the miracles that you are doing unless God were with him.';





Jesus replied, ';I tell you the truth, unless a person is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.';








Studying God's word











Nicodemus asked, ';How is it possible for a person to be born when he is old? Obviously you can't enter your mother's womb and be born all over again.';





';I tell you the truth,'; said Jesus, ';a person cannot enter God's kingdom unless he is born of water and the Spirit.








';Physical birth results in a physical being; spiritual birth, in a spiritual being. You should not be surprised when I say that all of you must be born again.





';The Spirit is like the wind, which blows wherever it wants to. You can hear the sound it makes, and there is no way to know where it comes from or where it is going. Spiritual birth is like that.';





';How could all this be?'; replied Nicodemus.





Jesus answered, ';How is it that you, a highly respected Jewish teacher, don't understand these things? I tell you the truth, we know that what we talk about is true because we saw it ourselves. Yet you people will not accept what we say. If I speak of things of the earth and you don't believe me, how will you believe me when I talk of things of heaven?








Judean desert











';No one has ever gone up into heaven except the Son of Man, the one who came from there. As Moses lifted up the bronze snake on a pole in the desert, so also must the Son of Man be lifted up so that everyone who believes in him may have eternal life.';








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Jesus goes on to teach that the love of God is seen in the fact that the Son was sent into the world so that those who believe in him might have eternal life (3:16-21).





';This is how God loved the world: he gave his one and only Son so that everyone who believes in him will have eternal life and not really die.





';God did not send his Son into the world to pass judgment on it, but that it might be saved through him.





';Whoever believes in the Son is not condemned. However, the person who does not believe stands condemned already, because he has refused to put his faith in God's one and only Son.








';Light came into the world, but rather than loving that light, people chose the cover of darkness because what they were doing was evil.





';People who do evil things hate the light. They won't come near it for fear it will make clear to others what they are doing.





';On the other hand, those who live by the truth come willingly to the light. That way everyone can see that what they are doing is done in partnership with God.';











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John the Baptist does not envy the growing impact of Jesus' ministry. Using the analogy of a Jewish wedding he acknowledges that he is merely the friend of the bridegroom (3:22-30).








Headwaters of the Jordan River











After his conversation with Nicodemus, Jesus and went out into the Judean countryside, where he stayed for a time baptizing believers.





John the Baptist had not yet been put in prison but was at Aenon, near Salim. There was plenty of water there, and John was baptizing the steady flow of people who were coming to him.





Some of John's followers got into an argument with a Jewish man about the practice of ceremonial cleansing. So they came to John and asked, ';Rabbi, the man you spoke about when you were east of the Jordan -- the man you said was the Lamb of God -- he is now baptizing, and people are flocking to him.';





John replied, ';A person plays no role in the eternal plan unless it has been assigned to him by God. You yourselves heard me say, 'I am not the Messiah,' but rather, 'I have been sent ahead of time to announce his coming.'





';In a wedding it is the bridegroom who takes the bride. The role of the bridegroom's friend is to wait and listen for his coming. When he hears the voice of the bridegroom he is overcome with joy. My joy is like that; it is absolutely complete. Jesus must become increasingly important, but I must fade away.';











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Jesus speaks the words of the Father and those who believe have eternal life (3:31-36).





';The one who comes from above is above all others. The one who belongs to the earth speaks only of things of the earth.





The one from heaven is above all others. He speaks about what he has actually seen and heard, yet none of you accept what he says.





But whoever does accept his message has demonstrated his conviction that God is truthful. The one sent by God speaks the words of God, for God does not give his Spirit in limited measure.





';The Father loves the Son and has placed everything under his control. Everyone who puts his faith in the Son has eternal life.





But no one who disobeys the Son will share in that life, but will remain subject to the wrath of God.











Modern middle-eastern wedding








Jesus asks a Samaritan woman for a drink of water and then explains that he is the one who gives living water to all. Those who drink it will never again become thirsty (4:1-42).





The Pharisees heard that Jesus was gaining and baptizing more converts than John, although it was the other disciples and I who were doing the baptizing.





When Jesus learned about this he left Judea and started back to Galilee. His route took him through Samaria, and before long he came to a town called Sychar.





It was located not far from the plot of land that our ancestor Jacob had given to his son Joseph. That was where Jacob had dug a well.





About noon, Jesus, tired from his journey, sat down beside the well. A woman of Samaria came to draw water.








Ancient city ruins with Mt. Hermon


in the background











';Please give me a drink of water,'; said Jesus to the woman. (We had gone into town to buy some food.)





The woman exclaimed, But you're a Jew! How come you're asking me, a Samaritan, for a drink of water?'; (No Jew would ever drink from a cup used by a Samaritan).





Jesus replied, ';If you only knew the gift of God and who it is that is asking you for a drink of water, you would be the one asking me, and I would be giving you living water.';








The woman replied, ';But sir, you don't have a bucket and the well is deep. Where will you get this living water?





';Surely you are not greater than our father Jacob, are you? He is the one who gave us this well. He drank from it himself, and so did his sons and his flocks.';





Jesus replied, ';Everyone who drinks of this water will get thirsty again, but once a person drinks the water that I will give, he will never be thirsty again.





';In fact, it will become in him a perpetual spring of water welling up to eternal life.





';Please, sir,'; the woman exclaimed, ';give me some of that water. That way I'll never get thirsty again and won't have to keep coming way out here to draw water.';








Ancient harvesting














Jesus said, ';Go, call your husband first, then come back again.';





';I don't have a husband,'; the woman replied.





';That's right,'; said Jesus, ';you don't have a husband. Already you have had five, and the one you are now living with is not your husband. You told the truth.';





The woman said to him, ';Sir, I can see that you are a prophet! I have a question for you: Should we worship on this mountain where our ancestors worshiped, or should we worship, as you, a Jew, would say, in Jerusalem?';








';Believe me,'; said Jesus, ';the time is coming when the place where one worships -- here on this mountain or in Jerusalem -- will no longer matter.





';You Samaritans know very little about the one you worship; but we Jews know all about him, because salvation comes through our race.





';A time is coming -- in fact, it is here already -- when true worshipers will be led by the Spirit to worship the Father as he really is. And the Father wants people to worship him like that.





';God is spirit, and those who worship him must be led by the Spirit to worship him as he really is.';








A stone strewn field











The woman said, ';I know that the Messiah (who is called ';Christ';) will come, and when he comes, he will explain everything to us.';





';I am the Messiah,'; said Jesus, ';the very one who is speaking to you now.';





Just then we returned from the town. We were surprised to find Jesus talking with a woman. However, none of us asked her what she wanted or questioned Jesus as to why he was talking with her. At that point the woman put down her water jar and hurried off to town, where she told everyone, ';Come and meet the man who told me everything I have ever done! Could this man really be the Messiah?'; The people left what they were doing and went out to meet Jesus.





Meanwhile we kept urging Jesus to take some food and eat.





';I have a source of nourishment you know nothing about,'; he answered. We asked one another, ';Could someone have brought him food to eat?';





Jesus said, ';My food is to do what God desires. He is the one who sent me and I must finish the work he gave me to do. You say, 'There are four months between sowing and harvest'; but I say, 'Open your eyes and look around! The fields are already ripe for harvest.'





';Already the reaper is drawing his pay for having gathered a crop destined for eternal life. Sowers and reapers are rejoicing together. The saying holds true, 'One sows and another reaps.' I am sending you to harvest a crop in a field where others have done all the hard work. You are about to reap the benefits of what they have done.';





A number of people in that Samaritan village came to believe in Jesus because of the woman's testimony, ';He told me everything I have ever done!';








They came to him with the urgent request that he remain with them in their town for a time. So for the next two days he stayed there, and many others came to believe when they heard Jesus for themselves.





To the woman they said, ';We no longer believe just because you told us about him. Now that we have heard him for ourselves, we are convinced that he is the Savior of the world.';











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Jesus heals the son of a government official (4:43-54).





Two days later Jesus left Samaria and continued on his way to Galilee.








Ancient synagogue in Capernaum











(Previously he had noted that a prophet is held in honor everywhere except in his own country!) When he arrived in Galilee he was welcomed by the people, because they too had been at the festival in Jerusalem and seen everything he had done.





Traveling through Galilee, Jesus came once again to the village of Cana, where he had turned water into wine. In nearby Capernaum there was an official of the imperial government whose son was ill. When he learned that Jesus had come back from Judea and was in Galilee, he went to him and begged him to come and heal his son, for his son was about to die.





';Unless you people see miracles and wonders,'; said Jesus, ';you will never believe!'; ';Please, sir,'; begged the official. ';Come before my son dies.';





';Your son is alive and well,'; replied Jesus. ';Go back to him.'; The official believed what Jesus said and set off for home.





While he was still on the way home, his servants came to meet him with the good news that his son had recovered. He asked them what time this had taken place, and they said, ';One o'clock yesterday afternoon the fever suddenly disappeared.';





The father remembered that it was at that very hour when Jesus had said, ';Your son is alive and well.'; So the official and everyone in his family became believers.





Jesus did this second miracle after leaving Judea and arriving in Galilee.
Jesus didnt die, however he will die, he wont live forever.


You want an honest translation of the Quran:


http://www.islamicity.com/mosque/SURAI.H鈥?/a>
i'm sorry i'm missing your point!!! where's the contradiction here?








in the Quran Jesus Christ is mentioned, in Hadiths he's is also mentioned to return but not some 2000 years later, only God knows when.








what's your problem?





and what do you mean by the Jesus Muslims?





and BTW, the above verse DOESNOT ';confirm'; the death of the messiah.





4:156-159 ';That they rejected Faith; That they uttered against Mary A grave false charge; That they said (in boast): 'We killed Christ Jesus The son of Mary, The Messenger of Allah.' But they killed him not, Nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjunction to follow, for of a surety they killed him not. Nay, Allah raised him up Unto Himself; and Allah Is Exalted in Power, Wise. And there is none of the people of the book (Jews and Christians) But must believe in him (Jesus) Before his death; And on the Day of Judgment He (Jesus) will be a witness Against them.';
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  • Why don't Jews believe Jesus is the Messiah? Is Judaism a false religion because of this?

    Keep in mind these are not my views. I'm not Jewish! Here are 7 reasons they don't believe in Jesus (there may be more reasons):


    1. Jesus did not fullfill the messianic prophecies.


    2. Jesus did not embody the personal qualifications of the Messiah.


    3. Bibical verses referring to Jesus are mistranslations.


    4. They don't believe in the Second Coming.


    5. They don't believe in the Holy Trinty.


    6. Christianity contradicts Jewish theology.


    7. Jews don't want gentiles in their religion.


    8. Jewish belief is based on national revelation.


    Under the ideals of theology, Judaism is considered a false religion. Some Jews do believe Jesus is the Messiah. NOW, if the antichrist comes and fullfills what the Jews consider to be the qualifications of the Messiah, would the Jews embrace the antichrist? Tough question!Why don't Jews believe Jesus is the Messiah? Is Judaism a false religion because of this?
    Jesus didn't fulfill the messianic prophesies the way the Jews wanted the Messiah to...they wanted a vengeful retribution (OT style), not a ';man of peace and love';.Why don't Jews believe Jesus is the Messiah? Is Judaism a false religion because of this?
    Jesus has to be the messiah because even the book of Daniel predidcted it (daniel 9:24-27)

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    There Daniel was told explicitly that Messiah would come 69 ';sabbaths'; (that is, 69 sabbatical years - a total of 483 years) after the decree was given to rebuild Jerusalem, which at that time lay in ruins after Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon, had destroyed it.

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    Let me preface this by saying I am not Jewish but I have friends who are and have lived in several Jewish neighborhoods as a child. For many Jews part of the identity of being a Jew is to not be a Christian. For some Jews Christianity is a heresy. One of my friends holds to this belief which makes for some interesting conversation. If there are any Jews who come to answer and disagree with this I apologize and please help me to clarify where I am wrong. You can do this by e-mail if you wish. Dear bandycats using the Jesus seminar as a referral source isn't such a good idea. These are the people who took a vote on which things Jesus said They eliminated anything that sounded Jewish or Christian. They determined that of the Lord's prayer He definitely said Our father'; They are not a good source to get information.
    There is no longer any standard for Judaism existing in the world today.





    All 8 of your points are based only on Jewish stereotypes.





    Traditional Judaism, if and wherever, or whenever it truly exists, is an incompletely true religion, that has not yet embraced the whole truth, relating specifically to Jesus Christ.





    Whether it ever will remains an open question to which only God has the answer.
    God has never picked a true religion. The religions have and they always pick themselves (what did you expect?). The faiths are now putting people through the ';true religion hysteria';. It's really religion competition in disguise. Don't let them fool you. The true religion must be named by God, not by a religion.
    Read Matthew chapter 23. This should give you some insight.


    Also, Matthew 13:10-15
    1) Absolutely- he has done any of the things I list below


    2) Absolutely- see the points I have listed below


    3) Yep- we have a very good knoweldge of biblical hebrew, as well as the knowledge of the plain meaning vs the alluded to meaning vs the legal meanig of the word- something that the gtranslators of the Tanach lacked.


    4) Correct- nowhere is there any hint of a second coming anywhere in the torah- even those who want to claim that there are two messiahs in Judaism cannot get round the fact thatunder that understanding one is mashiach ben Yosef (son of Joseph) and thus could not have been Jesus anyway- and the mashiach ben yosef is the IMMEDIATE herald for th mashiach ben David- there will be days, or at best weeks between the two- not millenia!


    5) Absolutely not- we are monothesist and stick to the Torah, proclaiming three times a day 'HEAR O ISRAEL, GOS IS YOUR GOD, GOD IS ONE!'


    6) Massive contradictions- from the nature of the afterlife, from how God punishes us (Judaism has a loving God that would not punish for eternity, Christianity has a vindictive God that inflicts eternal punishment!), to the understanding of the eternal nature of both the written and oral Torah


    7) Rubbish- anybody con convert to Judaism.


    8) Yep- we don;t believe in private revelation- the Torah was given to the entire nation- someone cannot come, perform miracles and try to change it- in fact the Torah, In Deuteronomy explicitly states that fact!





    Here is why we don't believe that Jesus was the messiah in simple terms:


    1) The dead were not resurrected


    2) The Jews did not beome priests to the other nations


    3) There is no world peace


    4) The temple is not standing


    5) There is no temple service


    6) There is no parah adumah or its ashes to render us tahor


    7) The messiah is from the House of David. your house/tribe is inherited from your father. Your father is your BIOLOGICAL father- there is no adoption in Judaisim to another father- if God is the father of Jesus- then Jesus cannot be from the House of David as God is not frm the House of David.


    8) Human sacrifice is completely forbidden in Judaism- remeber God stopping the sacrifice of Isaac? The idea of a human being sacrificed is the opposite of anything from Judaism!


    9) You have to atone for yourself! An essential part of the atonement process is being repentant. Someone cannot be repentant for you- you have to do it for yourself. ONly communal sins can be forgiven communally- not individual, private sins!





    And no- the messiah does NOT proclaim himself- he will be recognised by his deeds- not by his claims- in other words, through doing the above he will be recognised as the messiah. On top of that- mashiach is a HUMAN being, with HUMAN parents- the idea of an anthropomorphised God going around and impregnating young woman is completely alien to Judaism- though it fits very nicely into the pagan religions of the time which had their heroes being fathered by gods (ala Hercules and his daddy Zeus)





    As for Messianic Judaism, Jews for Jesus, Hebrew Christians etc, these are deemed as nothing more than Christian sects using deceitful means to convert Jews. EVERY Jewish denomination denounces these sects as Christians and nothing more. However, by Jewish law, once a Jew, always Jew- whether born or converted. Thus once a person is Jewish they are always judged by Jewish standards, and if they revert/convert to a different religion they are still considered Jewish by Jewish law. BUT, someone practising a religion other than Judaism is considered outside of the community, may not be a member of the community, receive any community honours, be a representative for the community, be buried in a Jewish cemetary, marry a Jew or be treated as a Jew for the purposes of the laws of mourning. However, since they never stop being a Jew- they merely have to repent, return to Judaism and go to mikveh in order to once again be a full member of the community.
    Why does this matter to you?
    There are NO Jews who believe Jesus was the messiah. To Jews, the belief that God would become human is the ultimate heresy!





    In order for Christianity to be *true* Judaism cannot be false! Jews do not need Christianity to explain their existence or their origin,


    but Christians cannot explain their existence without Judaism.





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    In the Old Testament it talks about Jesus 1st coming and also his second coming, and the Jews misinterpreted it and when he came for his first coming being born of the Virgin Mary, they didn't believe it was him, because they were believing he would make a big impressive entrance into the world instead of the humble way he came into the earth. They were expecting it with fanfare.
    Your question isn't so much tough as stupid. The ';Antichrist'; is, by definition, a Christian concept. Also, if this ';antichrist'; of yours fulfilled the qualifications of the Messiah, under what system of logic would he be an ';antichrist'; to Christians, much less Jews? Also, points 1 and 2 are redundant, 3, 4, 5, and 6 are inevitable if Jews don't believe in the Christian messiah, 7 is stupid beyond belief (Judaism allows conversions, but once you convert you're no longer a gentile--so no, there's no such thing as a Gentile Jew), and I have no idea what 8 is supposed to mean.





    Also, L'Chaim is correct, anyone who believes Jesus is the Messiah cannot by definition be Jewish. Therefore, it is impossible that ';some Jews believe that Jesus is the Messiah.'; Those people are Christians, not Jews.
    Well.....If your going to get technical every religion but your religion is a false religion because there can only be one true religion and nobody who is in thier given religion is in the wrong one .....ect.
    Jesus does not fit the description of the Messiah in the Tanakah, that's why
    1) Yes he did


    2) Expectations for the Messiah differed.


    3) No they aren't, I have translated them myself and they are not wrong.


    4) I haven't studied that matter in depth yet


    5) I don't believe in the Trinity either


    6) No it doesn't.


    7) Christianity was founded by Jews.


    8) ..... Yes because they were not guided by the Holy Spirit. They can be if they seek it.
    Under which ideals do you consider Judaism a false religion? It existed long before the two religions which borrowed heavily from it: Christianity and Islam.


    We do not believe in the trinity, as it is a pagan concept.


    We do not believe in a second coming, since our messiah will only have to show up once.


    Our beliefs are based on the revelation at Mount Sinai, in which 600,000 Jews were present, which validates our religion.


    We do not believe J*sus is the messiah; true.


    Who says we do not want ';gentiles';??? Although we do not seek converts, we welcome them with open arms!!!! And Judaism does make provisions for non Jews who do not wish to convert:


    http://www.noahidenations.com/content/in鈥?/a>


    And finally.... When our messiah comes, he will fulfill the following textual requirements:


    * The Sanhedrin will be re-established (Isaiah 1:26)


    * Once he is King, leaders of other nations will look to him for guidance. (Isaiah 2:4)


    * The whole world will worship the One God of Israel (Isaiah 2:17)


    * He will be descended from King David (Isaiah 11:1) via King Solomon (1 Chron. 22:8-10)


    * The Moshiach will be a man of this world, an observant Jew with ';fear of God'; (Isaiah 11:2)


    * Evil and tyranny will not be able to stand before his leadership (Isaiah 11:4)


    * Knowledge of God will fill the world (Isaiah 11:9)


    * He will include and attract people from all cultures and nations (Isaiah 11:10)


    * All Israelites will be returned to their homeland (Isaiah 11:12)


    * Death will be swallowed up forever (Isaiah 25:8)


    * There will be no more hunger or illness, and death will cease (Isaiah 25:8)


    * All of the dead will rise again (Isaiah 26:19)


    * The Jewish people will experience eternal joy and gladness (Isaiah 51:11)


    * He will be a messenger of peace (Isaiah 52:7)


    * Nations will end up recognizing the wrongs they did to Israel (Isaiah 52:13-53:5)


    * The peoples of the world will turn to the Jews for spiritual guidance (Zechariah 8:23)


    * The ruined cities of Israel will be restored (Ezekiel 16:55)


    * Weapons of war will be destroyed (Ezekiel 39:9)


    * The Temple will be rebuilt (Ezekiel 40) resuming many of the suspended mitzvot


    * He will then perfect the entire world to serve God together (Zephaniah 3:9)


    * Jews will know the Torah without Study (Jeremiah 31:33)


    * He will give you all the desires of your heart (Psalms 37:4)


    * He will take the barren land and make it abundant and fruitful (Isaiah 51:3, Amos 9:13-15, Ezekiel 36:29-30, Isaiah 11:6-9)
    Read about the Jesus Seminar, who searched for the real words of Jesus. They concluded Jesus never claimed he was God or the son of God. Other people made that up about him. Very interesting.





    Jewish people study their religion and religious origins and texts a lot more than Christians do theirs. After all, the OT IS describing a Jewish deity, and Jesus WAS a Jew.
    And YES all those things you listed about Judaism make it a false religion.

    Where in the Bible does it say that a false prophet would come and deny Jesus as the messiah?

    Jesus warned us that “false Christs and false prophets” will come and will attempt to deceive even God’s elect (Matthew 24:23-27; see also 2 Peter 3:3 and Jude 17-18).


    In Matthew 16:15, Jesus asks, “Whom say ye that I am?” Peter answers, “Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God,” and for this answer Peter is called “blessed.” In 2 John 9, we read, “Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.” In other words, Jesus Christ and His work of redemption is of utmost importance; beware anyone who denies that Jesus is equal with God, who downplays Jesus’ substitutionary death, or who rejects Jesus’ humanity. First John 2:22 says, “Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.”Where in the Bible does it say that a false prophet would come and deny Jesus as the messiah?
    Matt.24:21-26;Where in the Bible does it say that a false prophet would come and deny Jesus as the messiah?
    mathw 24.11


    (Revelation 11:1-14)

    If the Jews killed Jesus then doesn't that make him a false messiah?

    In Deuteronomy 13 it gives the guidelines of what makes one a prophet. It then goes on to state how a false prophet should be handled by the Jewish community.





    In Acts 10:39, it blames the death of Jesus on the Jews





    ';And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hung on a tree'; (Acts 10:39)





    If the Jews killed Jesus then that makes him a false prophet basically because he failed the guidelines of being a prophet based on Deuteronomy 13. The Jews would have not had a reason to kill Jesus if this was the case. Which means the pharisees were correct about Jesus.





    So is Jesus a false prophet if the Jewish people killed him?





    (those who claim Jesus was not a prophet please read)





    ';...Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people:..'; (Lk 24:19).





    Jesus was looked at as a prophet.If the Jews killed Jesus then doesn't that make him a false messiah?
    the whole story about Jesus being crucified and resurrecting 3 days later is just talking about the sun and the spring equinox in astrology. That is why easter is celebrated on a different day every year because it has to do with the spring equinox and sun worship.If the Jews killed Jesus then doesn't that make him a false messiah?
    Deuteronomy 13 simply declares that a ';prophet'; that tries to teach people to worship other Gods than Jehovah/I AM is a false prophet on the face of the matter, whatever else he says that might come true.





    Jesus Christ's message was that Jehovah's kingdom had come, and that people should worship Him rightly. He did not lead the people after other gods; the directive in Deuteronomy 13 does not apply. Jesus was not a false prophet by its standards.





    You'll need another argument.





    Blessings.
    The problem with those verses is that Jesus was not killed by the Jews he was handed over from them to the Romans. The Romans crucified Jesus Christ. It is not a Jewish custom to crucify their condemned.
    It was a small, divided sect of Jews who acted against Yahshua. Not Judaism as a whole. In fact, almost all of His early followers were Jews.
    He was a false messiah and a false prophet yes.
    I always thought the Romans killed him. But either way he was false.
    I do not consider Jesus a false Prophet, but yes, that group has killed a lot of people.
    you can't kill a person who never existed
    Deuteronomy 13:5 says that a false prophet is one that has spoken to turn you away from the Lord your God and he shall be put to death.


    Jesus did not say anything to turn the people away from God.


    But there were many reasons the Jews thought Jesus was a false prophet:





    Jesus said he could forgive sins which was considered blasphemy. The jews believed that only God could forgive sins. By saying he could forgive sins he was declaring himself equal to god. This would go against the first commmandment ';I am the Lord your God you shall have no other Gods before me.';





    Jesus administered to the sick. The sick were considered unclean sinners who were being punished by god.





    Jesus preached and healed on the sabbath day. Jewish law declares that you shall not work on the sabbath.





    Jesus' disciples and followers claimed he was the Messiah. The jews at that time expected their Messiah to be a powerful king with an army that would free them from Roman opression. Jesus was a simple man that spoke of peace and love.





    Jesus spoke freely of his ideas in the temple. When he was confronted by the pharissees he called them out. He once called them whited sepulchers, all clean on the outside, but on the inside full of dead mans bones and corruption. He called them hypocrites and vipers. He overturned the moneychangers tables at the temple, he was considered a troublemaker.





    He called God his father, which was calling himself the son of God. He spoke of his kingdom in heaven which implied he was a king, ultimately sealing his fate.





    He was crucfied on the cross by the Romans. A sign was put on his cross stating the crime he committed. The sign said ';King of the Jews';
    When you dream something up you just stomp the accelerator in the floor and go! Never mind whether it is right direction or not.





    Rather than Jesus being wrong, it was the last straw for the Jews with God. The Jews were always a stiff-necked people. Compared to cows, they had ears but did not want to hear. ----Zech. 7:11; Hosea 4:16; Is. 65:1-3.





    Killing the true Messiah was the last straw. No longer were they God's Chosen People. Acts 2 shows the annointing of a new Chosen People. Later called Christians out of all nations, tribes and tongues.





    Jesus proved to be the true Messiah by fulfilling all the hundreds of prophecies about the Messiah. Even those he could not possibly control like his parents and birthplace and time of birth.

    If the Jews killed Jesus then doesn't that make him a false messiah?

    In Deuteronomy 13 it gives the guidelines of what makes one a prophet. It then goes on to state how a false prophet should be handled by the Jewish community.





    In Acts 10:39, it blames the death of Jesus on the Jews





    ';And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hung on a tree'; (Acts 10:39)





    If the Jews killed Jesus then that makes him a false prophet basically because he failed the guidelines of being a prophet based on Deuteronomy 13. The Jews would have not had a reason to kill Jesus if this was the case. Which means the pharisees were correct about Jesus.





    So is Jesus a false prophet if the Jewish people killed him?If the Jews killed Jesus then doesn't that make him a false messiah?
    This is a very good question, sadly I am at a loss of words for an answer. It seems you may be on to something.If the Jews killed Jesus then doesn't that make him a false messiah?
    The Jews that killed Jesus failed to recognize him as the true Messiah. But everyone who knew the prophecies regarding his arrival on Earth knew that was him. Even King Herod, the one who tried to have him killed as a baby knew that he was the Messiah. But once he died, the promises God had made opened up to all the nations and not just the israelites.
    Jesus is not a prophet. He didn't make prophecies, he fufilled them!





    Note to you, the Jews didn't care what Jesus said he was. They didn't believe that the Savior of Man could be born of a virgin and a carpenter, to live as we live. They couldn't wrap their heads around it. So when he was falsley tried for criminal acts, they had no problem cruficifying innocent Jesus.
    DUH!





    Read the whole story..





    THe jewish killed him cuz they didnt accept that he was Gods son.. they kept thinking that the messiah was someone powerful who would release them from the roman empire.. someone strong.. a fighter





    But Jesus was the one leading us in the vERY GOOD WAY which is heaven not the land without the roman empire
    No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.


    John 10:18
    Jesus was executed on orders from Rome. The Jews were given a choice. Save Barrabas, a fighter and activist against Roman occupation, or Jesus, whose ideas scared the Orthodoxy as badly as they scared the Romans.
    no, Jesus fulfilled every prophecy there was for the coming messiah.. it was also prophesied that the jewish people would not accept him.
    No, you're just considering one variable in the situation, not all. This is not a If P then Q circumstance.
    To the Jewish people it does but not to the people that saw him as the messiah and became what we not call Christians.
    How can you say something like that? Jesus totally ROCKS and you're not going to stop him with your blasphemy . You better repent of this, otherwise God will kill you with his super powers
    They didnt kill him as such





    cause





    a) the romans did it





    and





    b) apprently Jesus came back to life
    For those who think God is omnipotent, then it was God's doing. Why blame either the Jews or the Romans?


    .
    Jesus VOLUNTEERED before the foundations of this earth and time to come here and die for us!! (Stop Mocking God!!) :(
    They didn't kill him. If Jesus really existed then it was actually the romans who killed him. Crucifixion was an excution method which was never ever used by the Jewish! Crucifixion was most certainly not a Jewish capital punishment method.





    Jesus is not their messiah either, he never was and never would be. He didn't fulfill the requirements and particuarly Christians say Jesus was god which is blasphemous in Judaism for people to say God became man. Also if Jesus was Jewish he would never have ever said he was God ever, how could he when it goes against Judaism?





    Anyway Jesus cannot have been their messiah which is why he doesn't feature in Judaism at all.
    You have the logic of a democrat.





    That's like saying America has to spend it's way out of the recession, regardless of the massive, cumbersome debts created!
    You need to read the whole story, first...





    You probably heard the name of ';SLAUGHTER HOUSE RELIGION'; given to Christianity. ALL Christians need to snack God the Son Jesus Christ in some way as part of the “salvation” package. Jesus talked about eating his meat and drinking his blood to go to Heaven when you die! It has nothing to do with “sins”… unless you are into some morbid fetish!





    John 6:53 (KJV) Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you (DUCK!), Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.





    It takes years of Christian and/or Catholic schooling to learn how to serve the Holy Communion just right, or Christians can get real sick and die! Protestants have relaxed this warning, but Catholics still believe that the Host* (*wafer) and Wine is magically transformed into the ACTUAL spit flavored Meat and sweaty Blood of Jesus. In some parishes extraordinary measures are taken after Mass to monitor that no trace of the body of Jesus Christ is found in any spent chewing gum stuck under the Church pews, or anywhere else!





    1 Corinthians 1:29-30 (KJV) For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many SLEEP* (*have died. More Mafia talk! Low IQ Christians who are sick are screwing up the Holy Communion, or how else can they get sick? Spiritually speaking, of course!).





    The Christian writers of the NT were delighted to declare that in fulfillment of Bible prophecies Jesus Christ’s flesh was beaten to a pulp, thoroughly tenderized, and heavily marinated in Roman soldiers’ spit, as the “spotless Lamb of God taking away the sins of the world” while hanging totally naked nailed to a Holy Cross.





    Job 17:6 (NIV) God has made me* (*Jesus) a byword to everyone* (*that is when “God the Father laid on HIM the iniquity of us all”), A MAN IN WHOSE FACE PEOPLE SPIT* (*this is about the most paramount prophecy about Jesus Christ! Preachers play cool on this one for obvious reasons!).





    Many years after Jesus died, the Christian NT Bible writers run amok. coming up with events in the alleged life of God the Son Jesus Christ that fulfill Bible prophecies, and this is one of them! It is kinda dungy spiritually speaking, of course, but there is hardly any other “prophecy” in the Bible that the NT writers made fit more precisely than that one, from the Book of Job!





    Matthew 26:67 (NIV) Then they SPIT IN HIS FACE and struck him with their fists. Others slapped him.


    Matthew 27:30 (NIV) They SPIT ON HIM, and took the staff and struck him on the head again and again.


    Mark 14:65 (NIV) Then some began to SPIT AT HIM; they blindfolded him, struck him with their fists, and said, ';Prophesy!'; And the guards took him and beat him.


    Mark 15:19a (NIV) Again and again they struck him on the head with a staff and SPIT ON HIM.





    That’s almost a gallon of Goy spit, not Jewish, but Gentile spit! The Christians go wild preaching that the Jews rejected Jesus, but the ultimate form of the most humiliating spitting rejection ever put together comes from the Romans, not from the Jews! There is no record that the Jews paid the Romans to spit on Jesus’ face, either! The Gospel writers imply that there was something very repulsive about Jesus’ personality that invited a lot of Roman spit! No Holy Roman authority EVER apologized for having had a field day spitting on Jesus’ face, and for having nailed him on a Holy ROMAN Cross. The Roman Christians were ruling Europe for so many centuries, but they always blamed the Jews! I am telling like it is, and I still keep getting email calling me a blasphemer!





    There is no historical record that the Roman soldiers ever let their victims take a shower after a heavy dose of spitting. Honestly, the Roman soldiers were not known to chew tobacco, or to spit on anybody! The Bible writers had to show that this prophecy about “spitting on his face” was fulfilled! There is no record that the Roman soldiers dressed any of their victim’s genital area in a white diaper before nailing them to any cross no matter how holy! There is no record that the Romans crucified anybody in Jerusalem, either. The Romans were much better known to IMPALE their victims driving a thick pole into the victim’s rectum and forcing them to stand on it until the pole would eventually pierce the heart or lung killing them by their own body weight! The thicker the pole, the longer it took for the victim to die! The Roman soldiers had plenty of fun that way! Jesus hardly suffered a sissy man’s death hanging his full body weight so gently from a nail in each hand. The nails can’t possibly hold anybody hanging in there for any length of time! Christians are brainwashed to believe that crucifixion is the most tormenting death ever invented! Not so! Impalement would have been a real pain in Jesus’ anal cavity and still fulfill Bible prophecy about “hanging on a tree!” If Jesus were to have a pole jammed up into his anus his eyes would be popping out of their orbit, and he would be crying out like a charm non-stop day and night, for his Daddy God watching from the Sky! According to the Christian Bible writers, Jesus Christ was able to conduct a long painless conversation with his peers nailed to the other crosses, and with some of the guests at the crucifixion site, and with the Roman soldiers that crucified him, all in “Yiddish,” although the conscripted Roman foot soldiers spoke only Latin (Luke 23:38)! Obviously the whole “crucifixion” story is a hoax, and I want my money back!





    About 500 years ago, the Protestants wised up and removed the hanging corpse of the dead Jesus Christ from the Cross. Now, only Catholics still display a dead body nailed to the Holy Cross. Human gullibility, aka “faith” is a mighty powerful force, without it nobody would buy a used car! ALL Christians and Catholics must snack on Jesus’ spit flavored Meat and drink his sweaty blood in the Sacrament of the Holy Communion, aka “The Lord’s Supper” to go to “Heaven” when they die! Christianity is a very primitive religion. Most people in America are unable to function without it! And, I am still getting TDs for telling like it is in the Bible, even from some otherwise intelligent Christians!





    I believe that there are some serious flaws in Christianity that need to be addressed. I am fully aware that my answers upset a lot of professional preachers, and perhaps some members of the Clergy, but they know that Christianity is not going to collapse overnight. I try to be a polite as I can. I am sorry if I have unduly offended anybody.

    Was Jesus Christ a false prophet, or the messiah?

    I will give you two sides of the argument:





    False Prophet:





    http://www.noahide.com/yeshu.htm





    Messiah:





    http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/m_…








    Which side are you on? Or are you on a different one? Please explain.Was Jesus Christ a false prophet, or the messiah?
    I think there's probably a third way. I certainly don't think he was a messiah, but I think he was, like Ghandi, a brilliant, and perhaps more highly evolved or at least enlightened man. I also think that those who were with him, and especially those who came after him twisted his message and his very existance for their own purposes.Was Jesus Christ a false prophet, or the messiah?
    I believe that Jesus was not the Jewish Messiah.





    But that noahide article is not really a very good article or does not present a very good Jewish argument for Jesus... for one thing, it does not discuss the prophecies that Jesus did not fulfil, for another it did not discuss the mistranslations and misinterpretations of the Hebrew scriptures that make Christians believe Jesus was the Messiah.





    I recommend people go to jewsforjudaism.org to read about the Jewish beliefs about the Messiah.
    The man preached love, acceptness and kindness...for everyone. Most people enjoy taking pop-shots at him and his followers...they still love and treat with kindess.





    Another ';prophet'; preaches hate and dealth to all who don't agree with the religion. Nobody takes pop-shots at him and his followers...they still hate and kill anyone who doesn't conform to thier beliefs.





    So, who's the false prophet and who's the messiah in your book?
    I believe that Jesus Christ was the Messiah, while people of the Jewish faith believe the Messiah is still to come. Some others don't believe in God, so of course they would not believe in a Messiah.





    It all stems from within each individual, nature and nurture, possibly how one has interpreted what one has been told, and there's a chance some who did believe were talked out of that by a reasoning someone gave them...
    The evidence that Jesus even existed is pretty sketchy. Still, seems pretty likely there is a historical figure which is the basis for Jesus myth, but the extraordinarily claims about his life made in the New Testament are unsubstantiated and should be treated with a healthy degree of skepticism (this goes for almost every character in every book of the Bible).





    My personal suspicion is that he was simply a progressive, charismatic rabbi who, in martyrdom, came to be worshiped and deified by a cult, which as history would have it, flourished and eventually became a major world religion.
    Jesus Christ is the Son of God. He came to earth as the Messiah and He died in our place for our sins. He came not to condemn the world, but to save us. He is our High Priest, our Saviour. Today we pray to God through Jesus Christ - not through any confession box - he stands before God and He pleads our case for us in other words - like an advocate.
    Jesus the Christ





    Christ (a Greek word) and Messiah (a Hebrew word) mean “the anointed.” Jesus Christ is the Firstborn of the Father in the spirit (Heb. 1: 6; D%26amp;C 93: 21). He is the Only Begotten of the Father in the flesh (John 1: 14; 3: 16). He is Jehovah (D%26amp;C 110: 3-4) and was foreordained to his great calling before the creation of the world. Under the direction of the Father, Jesus created the earth and everything on it (John 1: 3, 14; Moses 1: 31-33). He was born to Mary at Bethlehem, lived a sinless life, and made a perfect atonement for the sins of all mankind by shedding of his blood and giving his life on the cross (Matt. 2: 1; 1 Ne. 11: 13-33; 3 Ne. 27: 13-16; D%26amp;C 76: 40-42). He rose from the dead, thus assuring the eventual resurrection of all mankind. Through Jesus’ atonement and resurrection, those who repent of their sins and obey God’s commandments can live eternally with Jesus and the Father (2 Ne. 9: 10-12; 21-22; D%26amp;C 76: 50-53, 62).


    Jesus Christ is the greatest being to be born on this earth. His life is the perfect example of how all mankind should live. All prayers, blessings, and priesthood ordinances should be done in his name. He is the Lord of lords, King of kings, the Creator, the Savior, and the God of the whole earth.


    Jesus Christ will come again in power and glory to reign on the earth during the Millennium. At the last day, he will judge all mankind (Alma 11: 40-41; JS-M 1).
    It all depends which window you are looking out from. some religions he is. others hes a heretic. There is no black %26amp; white only grays. It does not have to be either/or it can be both/and. Right %26amp; wrong are human mental constructs that have nothing to do with ultimate reality. To answer your question you have to step out of this paradigm and go within. If you dont go within you go without.
    he was a messiah, in my opinion, bc he isnt god, but he is his son, sent as a messneger to bring us to salvation and save us


    however when we make the sign of the cross, they are considered one , this is really hard to explain, talk to your priest and ask him bc he will def be able to say
    we aren't supposed to really know these questions.


    Do we honestly know every thing in the bible?


    Of course not.


    God is mysterious.


    Jesus Christ is mysterious.


    The lord told us that we are to simply fear the lord.


    Now i took it like he was a mean person.. but its beyond my mind. its beyond my head why.


    I think everyone fears the lord because no one knows if its true or not.


    There is no explanation really..


    But i do believe that there was a jesus christ on earth.


    or a person tht was exactly like jesus christ.


    Who knows???


    W'ell never understand it because we arent meant to.


    We have limits because were only humans.


    But us humans are brilliant.. so we should be able to decide what is true and what is false or atleast what answer seems suitable to you.





    hope this helped!
    Jesus was a true messiah. Christ from his cross humanised Europe. The humanism in the Western culture is the result of the life and teachings of this great messiah. Undoubtedly, It is the most important historical event in the Western World.
    I believe Jesus is God the Son, second person of the Trinity, Alpha and Omega, Good Sheppherd, born of the virgin Mary, preached the gospels, healed the sick of their physical illnesses and healed the souls of the contrite of heart, suffered for us, died for us, rose again for us, ascended back into Heaven, still speaks to us through the Spirit, still is present to us through the Sacraments, and most of all Jesus is my Lord and my friend whom I love dearly.
    well I believe that Jesus is our savior and redeemer. I would think that people would post different things here and you never know whats true or false. I think you should pray about it. by yourself just ask God even if your not religious just kneel down and have a humble heart and a contrite spirit and you will know. I know with all my heart that he lives and loves us. some people may call me brain washed but thats up to them...if your confused as to which theory is true then just pray. listen very carefully forget everything in you life and just ask. it may seem strange or stupid but I've tried it and it works. there have been times where I have literally felt like I was crumbling and my life was falling apart. but something was always there. I know that it is Jesus. also here is Not the best place to ask because there are some very confused people who will just tell you lies. and there are other people who set out to tell you the wrong so you'll follow them. asking on this thing is just going to make you more confused because everybody has different views of religion. and not all of them are wrong and not all of them are right. if your REALLY want to know....just pray. it's all opinions and its all teachings. also if you still feel confused, consider talking to somebody from the church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints. we don't know all the answers but we are really good listeners and we can help!! if you want to know more just email me at rabendan_f@yahoo.com











    P.S if you don't agree then just leave it alone. I'm not going to judge you so don't you judge me. before you can remove the mote from one persons eye you must first remove the beam from yours. have an open mind and be grateful for you life here.





    Love ya!


    Love Rachie
    Whatever he was he was a great person who preached nothing but good and was someone who loved all of mankind. How he wanted us to be as kind , gentle ,thoughtful and caring as he was. Alas ,look at us , what have we done to the world and our fellow human beings?
    Jesus Christ is Lord of Lords and King of Kings.





    Either you accept Christ as your savior or you don't.





    If you accept him, then you will not go to hell.





    Read the New Testament.
    He was the messiah. He performed miracles and was kind. He was perfect. When he died there was an earthquake and the sky darkened.
    Jesus is the messiah, in the future there will be false prophets claiming they are Jesus but are not. Jesus will come again but just to take us away to heaven.
    Messiah..


    I think people from other religions r always trying to prove that Jesus never existed or that he was a prophet. As they cant find something that proves it, they invent some other excuse.
    Jesus Christ, Living Lord and Savior; the Messiah and the Creator of everything that exists!
    Messiah


    God Incarnate


    and Fulfillment of the Covenants
    Either way, I could never be part of an organization who's logo is a dead guy nailed to two pieces of wood.
    do you HAVE a life? i mean, google-ing these links? come on. have you ever had a date? cuz i doubt it.
    Messiah
    Jesus Christ was The Lord God Almighty creator of heaven and earth, you can either believe or not it is up to you.
    Jesus never existed. The correct side....





    I read both articles. The one on noahide.com is more convincing, but assumes that Jesus actually existed. He didn't. What clarifyingchristianity.com fails to consider is that the character of Jesus was woven around those prophecies he allegedly fulfilled. The evidence can be found in the fact that several of Jesus' ';fulfilled prophecies'; are based on mistranslations in the Septuagint.
    he is prophet of allah





    Therefore, for their breaking their covenant and their disbelief in the communications of Allah and their killing the prophets wrongfully and their saying: Our hearts are covered; nay! Allah set a seal upon them owing to their unbelief, so they shall not believe except a few. (155) And for their unbelief and for their having uttered against Marium a grievous calumny. (156) And their saying: Surely we have killed the Messiah, Isa son of Marium, the messenger of Allah; and they did not kill him nor did they crucify him, but it appeared to them so (like Isa) and most surely those who differ therein are only in a doubt about it; they have no knowledge respecting it, but only follow a conjecture, and they killed him not for sure. (157) Nay! Allah took him up to Himself; and Allah is Mighty, Wise. (158) And there is not one of the followers of the Book but most certainly believes in this before his death, and on the day of resurrection he (Isa) shall be a witness against them. (159) Wherefore for the iniquity of those who are Jews did We disallow to them the good things which had been made lawful for them and for their hindering many (people) from Allah's way. (160) And their taking usury though indeed they were forbidden it and their devouring the property of people falsely, and We have prepared for the unbelievers from among them a painful chastisement. (161) But the firm in knowledge among them and the believers believe in what has been revealed to. you and what was revealed before you, and those who keep up prayers and those who give the poor-rate and the believers in Allah and the last day, these it is whom We will give a mighty reward. (162)
    Jesus Christ wasn't a false prophet, he was a true prophet, but he was never a God... Jesus was there to teach us about Christianity and even in the Quran it says that in the old bible it said that there will be a new prophet coming to earth to further the teaching and we have to beleive in him but too bad the bible got changed a million times before so that isn't there anymore...
    Jesus Christ was a metaphor.





    He never existed.
    I think he was a fairly philosophical carpenter/ rabbi who probably encountered Buddhist philosophy while traveling in the east.





    Now he's a dead philosophical carpenter/ rabbi. Nothing more or less.
    Maybe he was insane, and truly believed he was the messiah.





    I didn't actually read those links, because honestly I really don't give a ****.
    Neither, it is likely he never even existed as a human.
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  • Monkey lord, simian savior, golden chimp, and male-cheerleading messiah? Or a false prophet? Which is bush?

    I find him to be perpetually inept but if you insisted that I select only from the above (it is your question) then I would go with golden chimp or did you misspell chump?

    Is Barack Obama a messiah or a false prophet? ?

    Neither.





    He's a politicianIs Barack Obama a messiah or a false prophet? ?
    He is Elvis. Well he is being treated like a pop star.


    I think it will be to late when the truth is discovered.





    He will never be as popular as he is before the election IF he wins.Is Barack Obama a messiah or a false prophet? ?
    Neither, he's just a guy that is motivated to see something different happen with this country
    he is not a messiah so he got to be a false prophet if he gets elected you will see but it will be to late then
    Not the Messiah and so far not a false prophet.
    Neither. He is the next President.

    Christians, have you prepared yourselves for the false Christ that will come prior to the True Messiah?

    Here it is I even looked it up for you what a concept. If you want to know about Him try if you can to read his word.





    2Th 2:1 And now, brothers and sisters, [fn] let us tell you about the coming again of our Lord Jesus Christ and how we will be gathered together to meet him.


    2Th 2:2 Please don't be so easily shaken and troubled by those who say that the day of the Lord has already begun. Even if they claim to have had a vision, a revelation, or a letter supposedly from us, don't believe them.


    2Th 2:3 Don't be fooled by what they say. For that day will not come until there is a great rebellion against God and the man of lawlessness is revealed--the one who brings destruction. [fn]








    2Th 2:4 He will exalt himself and defy every god there is and tear down every object of adoration and worship. He will position himself in the temple of God, claiming that he himself is God.Christians, have you prepared yourselves for the false Christ that will come prior to the True Messiah?
    i am fully aware of false profits and i am able to hold my faith high in God and stand against the ways of evil for my God is more power full than any false idols and the devil we shall prevail into the gates of heaven and rejoice with glory for the God we serveChristians, have you prepared yourselves for the false Christ that will come prior to the True Messiah?
    we will not be here when that person appears


    Christians will be taken before the tribulation starts





    only those saved during the tribulation period will see him.
    When the antichrist shows himself the true Christians will not be on earth to witness him. We will be gone with the rapture.
    He left office in January...
    You've been YouTube-ing haven't you?
    I'm a monkey and I like to baptize people.
    of course ive read revalation and o know that the lord says the anti christ will come before the true god
    I agree with Boohoo
    You mean Rush Limbaugh? Yeah, I'm ready.
    I study my Bible daily, so, yes.