Here's a hint: HE'S NOT PART OF OUR RELIGION
Have a wonderful day!Christians: When will you see that you follow a false messiah?
don't you just love how christians completely ignore the other 2,000+ other gods and goddesses and assume jesus is the only one.
whats really funny is that the god of the old testament and the god of the new testament are two COMPLETELY different deities.Christians: When will you see that you follow a false messiah?
I must address what 'articay' has asked:
We don't 'just take the beginning of the book'. The Jewish scriptures, the Tanakh were a COMPLETE 'bible' for thousands of years BEFORE the Christian 'new testament' was compiled!
And it's only in Christianity that there is a book with the NT and a mistranslated version OF the Jewish Tanakh. We don't 'reject' the NT any more than you as a Christian 'reject' the Quran!
Here's an analogy for you:
An author writes a book. Maybe a group of authors write it together, in fact. Either way: they write this long, colourful book which to them represents the history of THEIR family.
It is a complete work.
Then THOUSANDS of years later, ANOTHER group, decide THEY want to write a book - the 'sequel', if you will, to the first book. Now, they view it as an 'improvement' on the ORIGINAL book.
But the original authors don't agree.
And the family OF those original authors don't agree EITHER.
In fact, even more than that: for THEM, the 'sequel' VIOLATES all that their first, original book holds sacred.
So why on EARTH would the original authors feel the need to ADD this 'sequel', which has NOTHING TO DO WITH THEM, to their original work???
This is what 'articay' is effectively suggesting Jews do - add the CHRISTIAN bible to the JEWISH Tanakh.
Would Christians ever add the QURAN to their bible?
No?
After all, Muslims make the same argument about the NT that Christians make about the Tanakh; namely, that it is 'improved' by their revision.
Get it now?
I follow your logic. Jesus was Jewish. All the Apostles were Jewish. All of the Christian Bible was written by Jews except for Luke and Acts.The majority of early believers were Jews and were convinced to the point of death that Jesus was the Messiah. Christians out number Jews better than 10 to 1. Therefor Christianity is completely alien to Judaism. It has nothing to do with it. Jesus is a false Messiah. Your logic makes perfect sense. Hope you have a wonderful day too.
And you choose to post this on the holiest day of the year for Christians.
I am a friend to the Jewish people on YA and in real life, and I do not believe in attempts to convert, but it is in spite of posts like this, not because of them.
When I look eagerly at my Easter Basket waiting for my Jesus to rise once more and instead pops out a monkey with bunny ears.
I was just about to ask you, since you're Jewish, you should totally believe in this religion that we totally ripped off of you. We just changed a few details, but since YOU started it, you should definitely believe in every part of it!
Yo, Christians, why don't you believe in Joseph Smith?
I know he isn't. The Jewish faith only believes and follows the first 5 books of the Bible, and denies and rejects all the rest. This is correct right?
Why this is, I don't understand. When you read a book you can't take the beginning of the book and forget the rest. But I guess that is your choice. And is it your choice, or is it your church/faith? Did you ever read beyond, to see what there is there that is so objectional? By yourself....not with the aid of your....Rabbi...that's what he is called right.
I went into the Bible to check what I was taught as a Catholic. When I was prepared, I went to my priest with questions. Questions he didn/couldn't/wouldn't answer. That was answer enough for me.
I have studied with: Catholics, Jahovah's Witnesses, 7th Day Adventists, and Non-denominational. I find they ALL need to brain wash people to a degree. They ALL take parts of the Bible to suit the beliefs that they are trying to sell.
I study alone now. I still love God, it will never change. I believe Jesus is my saviour, that he died for me (and you). I also believe that we all have to make our own decision. I have no reason to talk anyone into anything.
I am not going to razz you for your choice. Please will you stop doing it to us. We have freedom of choice. Until big brother takes that decision away. Which may be sooner than later.
Go with God. Whatever name you call him.
you are right, a holy god visit the board,and is rejected,insulted,slandered,because he is not religious,where should a holy god go! if no among the lost?
Your ignorance is showing.
Here's a hint: It's about the prophesies.
He isn't part of a religion, he is part of reality. You will see.
r u talking about the President of the United States of America?
Every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord.
we won't be here when the false messiah begins decieving
I BELIEVE I FOLLOW THE TRUE GOD
FATHER / SON/ HOLY GHOST ( HOSPODE) GOD
WONDERFUL THING ABOUT GREEKS.. WE DONT PROSTELYZE
Our Greek Orthodox Katholikos Apostolic Church ( KATHOLIKOS ( GREEK WORD MEANING UNIVERSAL FOR ALL PEOPLE) was founded at the Pentecost. and the head of our Church is Jesus Christ. PETRA in Greek is a Rock and our ROCK OF SALVATION and that is Why Christ Is the HEAD OF OUR CHURCH. Petros was Peter and not the Rock of Salvation. ( PETROS MEANS STONE OR PEBBLE IN GREEK)
I am a Greek Orthodox Katholikos Apostolic Christian and in my faith we dont
brainwash. Not only do we not brainwash, we dont
Prostelyze . effort from people who try to prostelyze their own faith If you want to be Greek Orthodox Katholikos ( Catholic) you must come to that decision by your own accord. We don't rebaptise people who are baptised ( Thus if you are baptised as Jesus was,
the you are accepted. and if you are not Baptised and are not Born From Above ( as Jesus showed us to be) . We will gladly Baptise you , into our Faith, only if you choose . You must come to God on your own accord. Come and Follow
me, Jesus said ( on your own accord).
Yes, of course we know He's not part of YOUR ';religion.';
But He IS part of GOD'S religion. Choose this day whom you will serve. If it seems right to you to follow God, then do it; but if you choose to follow the Rabbis, then understand that you do NOT honor God, you DISHONOR Him.
EDIT: ROFL @ Paperback Writer, who wrote ';The Jewish scriptures, the Tanakh were a COMPLETE 'bible' for thousands of years BEFORE the Christian 'new testament' was compiled';... Do you even do a MODICUM of research before you write something, or do you just make this junk up as you go? (I'm betting on the latter.) FYI, Paperback: the last Prophet to write in what would become the Tanakh was MALACHI, who prophesied in about 420 BC. In order for your outrageous, nonsensical claim to be true, the New Testament would have been written in the 1600's! Yet again, you have shown your bias, ignorance (I am using that word in the purest sense) and lack of integrity in this matter.
And may I point out this: since 420 BC, God has not spoken to Rabbinic Jews, YET HE SPEAKS TO MESSIANIC JEWS AND BELIEVING GENTILES EVERY DAY. In an attempt to excuse this ';forgetfulness'; on HaShem's part, you say that His message to you is complete and there is no need for further revelation from Him. And YOU call US out of touch with Him? How many times does He have to tell you in your own Tanakh that He has turned His back on a rebellious and disobedient people? This is obviously the case with Rabbinic Judaism ... you follow the Rabbis and not Him, so why should He speak to you when you refuse to listen?!
Couple the fact that you have not heard from HaShem since 420 BC with the FACT that the Talmud records this strange event prior to the destruction of the Second Temple: for many years after Yeshua was put to death, the red string did not turn white on the Day of Atonement, which was an indication that God had accepted the sacrifices and forgiven the peoples' sins. EVEN YOUR OWN RABBIS AT THE TIME ADMIT THIS WAS BECAUSE OF THE GREAT SINFULNESS OF THE JEWISH NATION!
WHEN ON EARTH WILL YOU BE HUMBLE ENOUGH BEFORE HASHEM TO PUT TWO AND TWO TOGETHER? Yeshua is the Messiah and history proves it.
Exactly how do you define Judaism? If you say ';we believe the Torah,'; is that the old written Torah or the new written Torah that used to be an oral Torah?
If you follow the instructions of the new written Torah (NT), was it written by men or by God. Some non-Messianic Jews say yes. Others say no. So what is the official Jewish answer that all Jews agree?
Do you see how ridiculous to tell converted Messianic Jews Jesus isn't Jesus and is not a part of Judaism? Simply changing languages doesn't a new religion make.... especially when all Jews in Jerusalem spoke as the Romans at that time. Pretending Rome didn't call the shots is to believe in fantasy.
Edit:
I must respond to the cheap and trashy writing of Paperback Writer.
***The Jewish scriptures, the Tanakh were a COMPLETE 'bible' for thousands of years BEFORE the Christian 'new testament' was compiled!***
In short, she is attempting to say that the Tanach was complete about 2000 BC....or before the birth of Moses. How anyone can claim to be an expert in either religion and say this is beyond me.
***And it's only in Christianity that there is a book with the NT and a mistranslated version OF the Jewish Tanakh.***
In her efforts to provide the cheap thrills paperback writers are known for, she doesn't want to acknowledge that the manuscripts that both religions translate from are the same. Therefore, she is free to say one translation is mistranslated without identifying what the official Jewish translation is because one doesn't exist. If one Jewish translation existed, then there wouldn't be so many different sects of Judaism.
***Here's an analogy for you:
An author writes a book. Maybe a group of authors write it together, in fact. Either way: they write this long, colourful book which to them represents the history of THEIR family.
It is a complete work.
Then THOUSANDS of years later, ANOTHER group, decide THEY want to write a book - the 'sequel', if you will, to the first book. Now, they view it as an 'improvement' on the ORIGINAL book.
But the original authors don't agree.***
That is the description of the New Torah or NT. The authors don't agree. But there are somethings where history agrees. The new Torah was originally called the oral Torah. It was given by Moses and was pasted orally until the destruction of Herod's Temple.
As Gil Student says in his website, ';The real truth about the Tulmud,';
***The Oral Torah was originally meant to be transmitted by word of mouth. It was relayed from teacher to student in such a way so that if the student had any questions he would be able to ask and thus avoid ambiguity. A written text, however, no matter how perfect, is always subject to misinterpretation. Furthermore, the Oral Torah was meant to cover the infinitude of cases which would arise in the course of time. It could never have been written in its entirety. G-d therefore gave Moses a set of rules through which the Torah could be applied to every possible case. [Kaplan, 9:8-9]***
Therefore, when the oral Torah was written, it became something it wasn't before....the 2nd written Torah. Everyone simply referred to the written Torah as ';the Torah.'; There is no mention of an ';oral Torah'; ANY WHERE in the Tanach or how is survived the perfect passing of information for over a 1000 years even though the language and the cultures and technology changed! So as the Christians have there old and new Testaments, Jews have their old and new Torahs.
The New (-ly written) Torah has all the challenges that Gil Student mentions, ***Ambiguity***, ***subject to misinterpretation***, and ***could never have been written in its entirety.***
I agree with his analysis.
bless you my child.
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